Return-Path: <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t07HWfsB015456 for <sq5bpf@lipkowski.org>; Wed, 7 Jan 2015 18:32:41 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Y8uMW-0002r8-A9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2015 17:25:40 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Y8uMW-0002qz-08 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2015 17:25:40 +0000 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>) id 1Y8uMT-00039G-UG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2015 17:25:38 +0000 Received: from AGB ([2.31.59.134]) by mwinf5d41 with ME id d5Rc1p00T2tm1Xm035RczR; Wed, 07 Jan 2015 18:25:37 +0100 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 18:25:37 +0100 X-ME-IP: 2.31.59.134 Message-ID: <FE2CD976237848008CB5F84E8291A688@AGB> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> References: <46D2E1AF22D14849AD1095081F7613AB@AGB>, <DE9035D41D094AED86BD1EF8EF5DD36C@AGB> <54AD52AD.11410.131E2E2@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <54AD52AD.11410.131E2E2@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 17:25:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Scan-Signature: 2b323379b582abbe78ea971e119c2a1c Subject: Re: LF: New version OPERA >> ''Opera Dynamic'' << Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1854 Some points Mike 200%F is a bodge to get the text beacon via the server , not showing in my latest spot listing ? JA8SCD de SWL-JA8SCD/1 (): Op32 0 mi -41 dB in Tokyo with 0w + 16:29 136 JA8SCD de JA8SCD/1 Op32 Deep Search 0 mi -41 dB in Tokyo with 0w + 4 Min processing delay showing in these detection's 16:15 136 LA3EQ de G4WGT Op32 Deep Search 468 mi -43 dB in Chorley, IO83qo, with 0.2w + Marconi-T 16:11 136 LA3EQ de G8HUH Op32 605 mi -34 dB F:15% in Somerset with 0.2w + Marconi-T 17:23 136 LA3EQ de GW0EZY Op32 Deep Search 541 mi -42 dB in Welshpool IO82ho with 0.2w + Marconi-T 17:23 136 LA3EQ de 2E0ILY Op32 Deep Search 505 mi -42 dB in Shropshire IO82qv with 0.2w + Marconi-T 17:19 136 LA3EQ de G8HUH Op32 605 mi -33 dB F:1% in Somerset with 0.2w + Marconi-T >> Nothing can be 100% , Dynamic detections , will show 1 >> minuet after conventional OP8 and 4 minuets after a >> conventional OP32 decode , this is due to data processing time >> and is a fixed off set , Time can be used as a reality check There are now two entirely different systems packaged in the one application , the original Opera data mode , which is capable of presenting the fade pattern and the s/n , the other relies on call matching and presents s/n only , hence the 'odd' 200%F , the dynamic search has been trailed on normal 'ham' kit and provides an extension to the existing system . Before any variations are attempted , off air stats are needed , there was close to 100 instances of V155 in use since its launch , with only 1 error that would be 1% . Occurrences will be statistically related to user numbers Where it is unfortunate 'real' calls are produced , the time delay presents a simple , at a glance spot-check , the integrity of the original system has not been compromised, at the moment the list has a 8 day life , this could be reduced , but with the 7 day operating cycle , 8 provides overlap 73-G, -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:37 PM To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Subject: Re: LF: New version OPERA >> ''Opera Dynamic'' << > Sorry, Graham, but you are wrong. Last night's results did not "give > a good working compromise between real and false detections." There > were several very plausible but false decodes. These appeared much > more frequently than they do on OPDS which in any case gives enough > additional information on signal quality to be able to spot most > false decodes. It's a nice idea, but the real/false threshold is set > much too far towards 'real', making the resultant information next to > useless. > > And what is the "200%" fade figure all about? I am 1000% sure I don't > know. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > >> All, >> >> Other than the odd false spot , that looked to be quite a >> good launch for the new addition to Opera >> >> Nothing can be 100% , Dynamic detections , will show 1 >> minuet after conventional OP8 and 4 minuets after a >> conventional OP32 decode , this is due to data processing time >> and is a fixed off set , Time can be used as a reality check >> . >> >> Dynamic compares Call Signs with activity , to provide the >> lowest possible detection levels , to do this , Opera changes >> mode to give a second chance detection , based on s/n , The >> detection threshold has been set to give a good working >> compromise between real and false detections. >> >> Noting , each individual transmission is processed independently , >> Conventional and Dynamic processes are running in parallel >> >> 73-Graham >> G0NBD >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Graham >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:38 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: New version OPERA >> ''Opera Dynamic'' << >> >> >> New version of opera up-loaded >> >> Opera Dynamic: Introduces the first, adaptive multi mode Beacon >> decoding/detection system , seamlessly taking over from the Opera >> data decoder and dynamically configuring the low level detector. >> >> >> >> Opera Dynamic is configured for MF OP8 and LF OP32 , providing >> a dynamically configured low level detection mode , >> complimenting the Opera Data mode , >> >> >> >> Opera Dynamic forms part of the windows distributed package , >> >> >> >> 73-Graham >> >> G0NBD >> >> >> >> >> >> UPLOAD >> >> >> >> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ >> >> >> >> SUPPORT >> >> >> >> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/O_P_E_R_A_/info >> >> >> >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/operadatamode/ >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8885 - Release Date: >> 01/07/15 >> > > >