Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (rly-ma09.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.53]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILINMA041-8ca49be91821da; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:51:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA094-8ca49be91821da; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:51:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LjGxT-0005C7-CL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:50:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LjGxS-0005By-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:50:38 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjGxP-0004cR-Mc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:50:38 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3433.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3A0CC7000085 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:50:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.61.111]) by mwinf3433.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 283EA7000083 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:50:29 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20090316175029164.283EA7000083@mwinf3433.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <009001c9a588$7eb02c60$6401a8c0@asus> <00e001c9a5a7$f07216a0$6401a8c0@asus> <826BA6086575402A8C87062492069F5A@AGB> <004501c9a623$a4bf81d0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:50:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C9A65F.B185F520" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C9A65F.B185F520 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0070_01C9A65F.B185F520" ------=_NextPart_001_0070_01C9A65F.B185F520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, That's the problem with windows hihi .. lucky to get as pulse the same=20= minuet ....but what happens if the tx pulse is slightly before and after= the measurement window ? That was the idea behind the multiplex beacon .. plenty of room for pulse=20= jitter=20 G .=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software Those two time slots of 15 minute interval plus 5 and 6 that generate the gr= een and blue traces could be used by others. There is no need to generate t= he full beacon sequence, just a precisely time 5 second transmission every 1= 5 minutes. All the monitoring software does is look at the carrier S/N duri= ng the precise interval of 25 to 30 seconds. So, if someone could come up with a Tx that transmits precisely for 5 second= intervals at xx:05:25 , xx:20:25, xx:35:20 and xx:50:35:25 where xx: is= the hour it will show up as the gree trace on Gary's plot. Similarly, at=20= xx:06:25 etc it will appear as the blue trace. =20 Try it manually to see :-) Timing is extremally important though. Accurcy needs to be within 0.5 seco= nds for the monitoring S/W to make an accurate level recording, which makes=20= GPS or network based controlled timing almost mandatory. I've switched off at the moment as mentioned earlier, but should be able to=20= activate again by about 18:30.=20 Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/3/16 Gary - G4WGT Hi Graham, LF, You wrote :- >>>Upload is set at 5 minute intervals and auto refresh at 2 minute interv= als. <<< that could be backed off to 15 mins as the beacon only sends ever= y 15 ??=20 I mentioned in my previous mail to ignore the text on the page as it was o= riginally for grabber 1 for when I upgrade the web site (to a new design & b= etter navigation etc), also mentioned is that upload is every 30 minutes. If the uploaded chart proves useful or interesting to operators & viewers=20= then I will change the text & make it a permanent feature for the foreseeabl= e future. BTW :- For those of you who are not familiar with the chart =96=20 The RED trace is Andy=92s (G4JNT) beacon signal & the BLACK trace is the n= oise level at my QTH. The Blue & GREEN are not in use & should be ignored on this chart as they=20= are for the other beacons used when monitoring on the 5MHz allocation. Cheers, Gary =96 G4WGT ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 15 March 2009 22:17=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software=20 Gary.. That looks good ... 0500 looks best time for a qso .. see you then =20 >>>Upload is set at 5 minute intervals and auto refresh at 2 minute interv= als. <<< that could be backed off to 15 mins as the beacon only sends ever= y 15 ??=20 the 15 db over the noise in day time is the same at this qth .. looks li= ke the big dips round 1900 where just when we where testing .. typical hih= i tnx- G ..=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:55 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: Syncback software LF, I have now got the software, Syncback running correctly (I think). The purpose of this is to upload the chart from Andy=92s beacon as receive= d here to my web site periodically, ie. every 30 minutes. I now have a receiver running 24/7 monitoring Andy,s beacon on 503.7KHz. You can view the chart on my web site at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html For the moment ignore the text on the page as it is originally designed to= use with the 500KHz grabber when I renew my web site design. If it is a use= ful upload I will make it a permanent feature but may have to extend the fre= quency coverage of grabber 1 so not to overload the PC with operations which= will cause the PC to struggle. Let me have your comments please. 73 Gary =96 G4WGT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 15 March 2009 16:10 To: LF -RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: Syncback software Hi LF, If anyone is using Syncback software & can help, please. I am tying to upload a file to my website who=92s filename does not change= , only the file size changes. I tried to do it with Argo-upload but failed s= o I downloaded Syncback & still failing. Syncback gives me the following message :- ********************************** Can connect, but unable to change to destination directory: /chart01.bmp:not a directory ********************************** The Syncback help does not give me the answer. Any help will be appreciated Or Will Argo-Upload do it? Or Is there something else to do it? Thanks in anticipation, 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09= 06:54:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 03/15/09 1= 4:07:00 ------=_NextPart_001_0070_01C9A65F.B185F520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy,
 
That's the  problem with windows hihi&= nbsp; ..=20 lucky  to  get as pulse the  same minuet  ....but w= hat=20 happens if the  tx pulse is slightly  before and  after the&n= bsp;=20 measurement window ?
 
That was the idea behind the multiplex beac= on =20 ... plenty of room for  pulse jitter
 
G .

Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software

Those two time slots of 15 minute interval plus 5 and 6 that gener= ate=20 the green and blue traces could be used by others.  There is no ne= ed=20 to generate the full beacon sequence, just a precisely time 5 second=20 transmission every 15 minutes.  All the monitoring software does is loo= k at=20 the carrier S/N during the precise interval of 25 to 30 seconds.
 
So, if someone could come up with a Tx that transmits precisely for 5=20 second intervals at xx:05:25 , xx:20:25,  xx:35:20 and =20 xx:50:35:25   where xx: is the hour it will show up as the gree tr= ace=20 on Gary's plot.   Similarly, at xx:06:25 etc it will appear as the= =20 blue trace. 
Try it manually to see :-)
 
Timing is extremally important though.   Accurcy needs to be=20 within 0.5 seconds for the monitoring S/W to make an accurate level recordin= g,=20 which makes GPS or network based controlled timing almost mandatory.
 
I've switched off at the moment as mentioned earlier, but should be abl= e to=20 activate again by about 18:30. 

Andy  G4JNT
= www.g4jnt.com


2009/3/16 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

Hi=20 Graham, LF,

<= /B> 

You=20 wrote :-

>&= gt;>Upload=20 is set at 5 minute intervals and auto refresh at 2 minute intervals.=20 <<< that could be backed off to  15 mins as the beacon=20 only  sends every 15 ??

<= /B> 

I=20 mentioned in my previous mail to ignore the text on the page as it was=20 originally for grabber 1 for when I upgrade the web site (to a new design=20 & better navigation etc), also mentioned is that upload is every 30=20 minutes.

<= /B> 

If=20 the uploaded chart proves useful or interesting to operators & viewers= =20 then I will change the text & make it a permanent feature for the=20 foreseeable future.

<= /B> 

BTW=20 :-

<= /B> 

For=20 those of you  who are not familiar with the chart =96=20

<= /B> 

The=20 RED trace is Andy=92s (G4JNT) beacon signal & the BLACK trace is the n= oise=20 level at my QTH.

<= /B> 

The=20 Blue & GREEN are not in use & should be ignored on this chart as t= hey=20 are for the other beacons used when monitoring on the 5MHz=20 allocation.

<= /B> 

Cheers,<= /FONT>

<= /B> 

Gary=20 =96 G4WGT

<= /B> 

<= /B> 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 15 March 2009 22:17=20


To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback=20 software=20

 

Gary..

 

That looks good  .... 0500=20 looks best time for a qso .. see you then 3D"Smile 

 

>>>Upload is=20 set at 5 minute intervals and auto refresh at 2 minute intervals. <<= <=20 that could be backed off to  15 mins as the beacon only  sends e= very=20 15 ??

 

the  15 db over=20 the noise in day time is the  same at this qth .. looks like the big=20= dips=20 round 1900  where just when we where testing ..  typical=20 hihi

 

tnx- G ..=20

 

From:<= /SPAN> Gary - G4WGT=20

Sent:<= /SPAN> Sunday,=20 March 15, 2009 7:55 PM

Subjec= t: LF: RE:=20 Syncback software

 

LF,

<= /B> 

I=20 have now got the software, Syncback running correctly (I=20 think).

<= /B> 

The=20 purpose of this is to upload the chart from Andy=92s beacon as received he= re to=20 my web site periodically, ie. every 30 minutes.

<= /B> 

I=20 now have a receiver running 24/7 monitoring Andy,s beacon on=20 503.7KHz.

<= /B> 

You=20 can view the chart on my web site at :-

<= /B> 

http:= //myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html

<= /B> 

For=20 the moment ignore the text on the page as it is originally designed to use= =20 with the 500KHz grabber when I renew my web site design. If it is a useful= =20 upload I will make it a permanent feature but may have to extend the frequ= ency=20 coverage of grabber 1 so not to overload the PC with operations which will= =20 cause the PC to struggle.

<= /B> 

Let=20 me have your comments please.

<= /B> 

73

<= /B> 

Gary=20 =96 G4WGT.

<= /B> 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 15 March 2009 16:10
To: LF -RSGB LF Group
Subject: LF: Syncback=20 software

 

Hi=20 LF,

 

If anyone is=20 using Syncback software & can help, please.

 

I am tying to=20 upload a file to my website who=92s filename does not change, only the fil= e size=20 changes. I tried to do it with Argo-upload but failed so I downloaded Sync= back=20 & still failing.

 

Syncback gives=20 me the following message :-

 

**********************************=

Can connect,=20 but unable to change to destination directory:

/chart01.bmp:not=20 a directory

**********************************=

The Syncback=20 help does not give me the answer.

 

Any help will=20 be appreciated

 

Or

 

Will=20 Argo-Upload do it?

 

Or

 

Is there=20 something else to do it?

 

Thanks in=20 anticipation,

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83QP.

 


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