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Unlikely Laurence =20
Times are not matched, assume that is a local detection , not =
passed via the system in which case its a Sherlock Holmes job to =
match the times up .. need to check the psk-map for the TX =
beacons and match the time up , if there are no decodes showing =
.... need session from Mr Pixel , that might make it over the =
pole=20
73-G,,=20
These are TX beacons=20
OPERA 0.136 10/11/2015 21:10 England 1.45E+09 M0PPP IO93GM M0PPP =
IO93GM RX Op32 223=20
OPERA 0.136 10/11/2015 21:25 England 1.45E+09 M0PPP IO93GM M0PPP =
IO93GM RX Op32 223=20
psk-map sql search=20
http://pskreporter.info/cgi-bin/pskdata.pl?days=3D4&senderCallsign=3Dm0pp=
p
From: Laurence KL7 L=20
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 6:51 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: Deep thought...err search
Morning all=20
Got a from KL7L
1035 136 M0PPP deep search -43 1525.0hz=20
Only reason to advertise this us this is the first thing thats appeared =
for months and dcf39 was awfully strong over the pole last night. Looks =
late=20
Laurence KL7L
(Remote ops fm KH6)
On Nov 13, 2015, at 08:23, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
Graham es Co
I like to see a constructive discussion about different data modes ie =
any advantage one mode has vs the other.
While both Opera and Wspr have merit in their own unique ways there is =
a problem with Wspr if the clock accuracy varies then no decodes are =
possible. I have experienced this myself on reception. Opera seems very =
user friendly and straight forward to implement and operate. Key the TX =
directly no transverter or ssb transmitter or time accuracy required and =
bingo you are in business.
gl to all
de mal/g3kev
From: Graham=20
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 5:59 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
Unfortunately the Op8 decodes from Reunion would be under Deep Search
Hi Luis HA HA =20
Well , we know wspr and opera dynamic uses the same correlation =
technology , that's the reason for the text look up table in each =
mode ... AAA+ qualified without doubts ;-) quite !!
However , Opera uses the internet in more elegant way , not =
just clock setting, to dynamically validate the spot , and as you =
know , Opera is not a time division multiplex system, so false =
dynamic spots have nice random time stamps ..unlike wspr , that =
is time locked , so the real and the imaginary are very =
difficult to tell apart .=20
The work needed to separate the dynamic from the op8 to the =
psk-map would be extensive, due to the multi path reporting =
system , the simple work around was to split the feeds . Operas =
is a complete system , Tx and Rx , with intelligent internet =
deployment. the psk-map is only a indicator and not the output =
device , that's the opera application=20
wspr 15 was also a failure , you cannot just scale up a mode =
and expect it to work and has unrealistic hardware requirements, =
notably , also uses the same text support table.=20
No need to improve over the 60 watt's , would be enough to =
reach EU , G8HUH used 100 watts carrier power, even -3 dB would be =
50 , the Opera decoder is not desensitised by strong in band =
signals , and in there lies wspr's problem , it was never designed =
to accommodate strong in band signals as found on MF/LF.=20
But .. for some, reality is only a secondary consideration. like =
opera is only 50% efficient , apparently when the TX off , then =
it's wasting power on the off cycle ,transmission depends on the =
available energy , if its off half of the time , then it has only =
used Half the energy ...=20
73-G,=20
From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez=20
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 9:53 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: LF: RE: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
Hi Mal, Graham
Unfortunately the Op8 decodes from Reunion would be under Deep Search
And you know. Not considered "real" decodes by the purists and so, =
garbaje qualifyed
Not showed on PskReporter map, either
WSPR-15 may be another option, but stressing a PA for 15 minutes is =
not easy without nice matching
and not sure if that is possible there. A WSPR-15 decode should be =
AAA+ qualified without doubts ;-)
QSB on MF may be also an issue, for a 15 min WSPR TX, as previously =
discussed in this reflector
Anyway worth a try. I'm sure FR5ZX is trying to improve his Tx on MF =
and there are better conditions
to come on this band, ins't it ?. We have to be patient .....
73 de Luis
EA5DOM
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De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de mal hamilton
Enviado el: viernes, 13 de noviembre de 2015 10:17
Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Asunto: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
Graham=20
Tnx info=20
If you could contact him and ask him to divert to Opera reporting =
sometimes it would be interesting since quite a number of MF OPERATORS =
are active at present. It would be a worthwhile exercise and QRSS would =
also be worth trying for a real time QSO
DE MAL/G3KEV
From: Graham=20
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 1:29 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
Not yet, as far as we know Mal,
Tom, G8HUH asked in the yahoo group after his wspr spot , by =
the report Tom achieved, FR5 , would of made it back to Uk with =
his 60 watts in OP8 directly=20
73-G,
From: Mal Hamilton=20
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:51 PM
To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
Does FR5ZX. Monitor opera on 477 KHz
A lot of acty tonite
De mal/g3kev
Sent from my iPhone
On 12 Nov 2015, at 14:30, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> =
wrote:
It would be interesting to compare OPERA against WSPR at that =
distance to FR5ZX=20
also it would appear that a QRSS QSO would be possible on MF
73 de Mal.G3KEV
From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:11 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: RE: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
Hi MF
Interesting conditions to Reunion last night
A total of 23 spots from FR5ZX. Only four stations reported
1 from G8HUH at -30
3 from SV8CS best -24
6 from DK7FC best -24
13 from EA5DOM best -19
From Rick Strobbe ON7YD reference site for LF antennas I have seen =
his calculations for a vertical
antenna with inductive topload. May be is the closer configuration =
to what I have managed to get here
http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/#IndTop
There is no mention to the feeding point for such antenna. In my =
setup H(L) is 80m and I'm feeding
at the coil base. Total H is 80+11=3D 91m
The Ra calculated from Rick formulas is over 8 Ohm (not mOhm)
This radiation resistance seems too much to be true. But results are =
proving really outstanding
I'm just feeding the antenna with 70W, believe it or not and it is =
not really resonanting on WPSR frequency but on 488KHz
as I adjust the variometer up at the antenna and then run a coax =
line to shack which changes it all
The 80m pipe which forms the H(L) is really more complex in =
practice. It goes down to building basement
and there splits into different pipes. One connects to presure =
compressor and water tank. The other runs
underground 40m to the twin tower and then runs up again another 80m =
into the twin (parallel) tower
The pipe section running underground is not metal, but plastic. The =
iner water column should work as
current conductor. That water is confined in the pipes and =
presurized. Should be saturated with metal oxide
similar to a heating circuit, so probably the plastic pipe got metal =
deposits inside which make it even better
conductor than the water colum itself
Any thoughts ?? Am I getting >10% efficiency ??
73 de Luis
EA5DOM=20
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De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de VIGILANT Luis =
Fern=C3=A1ndez
Enviado el: lunes, 09 de noviembre de 2015 16:01
Para: DK7FC; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Asunto: Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
From WSPR database, FR5ZX transmitted in 503KHz. Is 630m band not =
allowed in Reuni=C3=B3n?=20
73 de Luis
EA5DOM
Enviado en portable
------ Mensaje original ------
Desde: DK7FC
Fecha: 09/11/2015 14:48
Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org;
Asunto:Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR
Hi Genosse Roman,
FR5ZX is using a resonated vertical antenna with capacitive top load =
near his house. He also transmits with this antenna.
73, Stefan
Am 09.11.2015 01:35, schrieb Roman RW3ADB:=20
Parteigenosse Stefan!=20
Any news about FR5ZX RX-setup? )
73!
Roman
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3D"mailto:hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com CTRL + Click to =
follow link"=20
href=3D"mailto:hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com">Laurence KL7 L</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 13, 2015 6:51 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CTRL + Click to follow =
link"=20
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: Deep thought...err search</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Morning all </DIV>
<DIV>Got a from KL7L</DIV>
<DIV>1035 136 M0PPP deep search -43 1525.0hz </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Only reason to advertise this us this is the first thing thats =
appeared for=20
months and dcf39 was awfully strong over the pole last night. Looks=20
late <BR><BR>Laurence KL7L</DIV>
<DIV>(Remote ops fm KH6)<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Nov 13, 2015, at 08:23, mal hamilton <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Graham es Co</DIV>
<DIV>I like to see a constructive discussion about different data =
modes ie any=20
advantage one mode has vs the other.</DIV>
<DIV>While both Opera and Wspr have merit in their own unique ways =
there is=20
a problem with Wspr if the clock accuracy varies then no decodes =
are=20
possible. I have experienced this myself on reception. Opera seems =
very user=20
friendly and straight forward to implement and operate. Key the TX =
directly no=20
transverter or ssb transmitter or time accuracy required and bingo you =
are in=20
business.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>gl to all</DIV>
<DIV>de mal/g3kev</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; =
COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: =
none">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk=20
href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">Graham</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 13, 2015 5:59 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: RE: Re: FR5ZX on MF =
WSPR</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; =
COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: =
none">
<DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>Unfortunately the Op8 decodes from Reunion would =
be under=20
Deep Search</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hi Luis HA HA </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Well , we know wspr and opera dynamic uses =
the =20
same correlation technology , that's the reason for=20
the text look up table in each mode ... =
<FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>AAA+ qualified without doubts ;-) quite =
!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>However , Opera uses the internet in =
more =20
elegant way , not just clock setting, to =20
dynamically validate the spot , and as you know =
, =20
Opera is not a time division multiplex =
system,=20
so false dynamic spots have nice =20
random time stamps ..unlike wspr , that =
is=20
time locked , so the real and the =20
imaginary are very difficult to =
tell apart=20
. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The work needed to separate the =
dynamic =20
from the op8 to the psk-map would be =
extensive, due=20
to the multi path reporting system =
,=20
the simple work around was to split the =
feeds=20
. Operas is a complete system , Tx and Rx , with=20
intelligent internet deployment. the psk-map is only =
a =20
indicator and not the output device , that's =
the =20
opera application </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>wspr 15 was also a failure , you cannot =20
just scale up a mode and expect it =
to work=20
and has unrealistic hardware requirements, =
notably=20
, also uses the same text support table. =
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>No need to improve over the 60 watt's , =20
would be enough to reach EU , G8HUH =
used =20
100 watts carrier power, even -3 dB would =
be 50=20
, the Opera decoder is not desensitised =
by =20
strong in band signals , and in there lies =
wspr's =20
problem , it was never designed to accommodate =
strong in band signals as found on =
MF/LF. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But .. for some, reality is only a =
secondary=20
consideration. like opera is only 50% =
efficient=20
, apparently when the TX off , =
then =20
it's wasting power on the off cycle=20
,transmission depends on the available energy , if =
its =20
off half of the time , then it has only =
used =20
Half the energy ... </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>73-G, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<DIV><FONT size=3D3 face=3DArial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3D"mailto:luis@vigilant.es CTRL + Click to follow link" =
href=3D"mailto:luis@vigilant.es">VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 13, 2015 9:53 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CTRL + Click to =
follow link"=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>Hi Mal, Graham</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>Unfortunately the Op8 decodes from Reunion would =
be under=20
Deep Search</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>And you know. Not considered "real" decodes by =
the purists=20
and so, garbaje qualifyed</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>Not showed on PskReporter map, =
either</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>WSPR-15 may be another option, but stressing a =
PA for 15=20
minutes is not easy without nice matching</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>and not sure if that is possible there. A =
WSPR-15 decode=20
should be AAA+ qualified without doubts ;-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>QSB on MF may be also an issue, for a 15 min =
WSPR TX, as=20
previously discussed in this reflector</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>Anyway worth a try. I'm sure FR5ZX is trying to =
improve his=20
Tx on MF and there are better conditions</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>to come on this band, ins't it ?. We have to be =
patient=20
.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D351003309-13112015>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>73 de Luis</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>EA5DOM</FONT></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Des class=3DOutlookMessageHeader align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><B>De:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org</A>=20
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g=
roup@blacksheep.org</A>]=20
<B>En nombre de </B>mal hamilton<BR><B>Enviado el:</B> viernes, 13 de=20
noviembre de 2015 10:17<BR><B>Para:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A><BR><B>Asunto:</B>=20
LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">
<DIV>Graham </DIV>
<DIV>Tnx info </DIV>
<DIV>If you could contact him and ask him to divert to Opera =
reporting=20
sometimes it would be interesting since quite a number of MF OPERATORS =
are=20
active at present. It would be a worthwhile exercise and QRSS would =
also be=20
worth trying for a real time QSO</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>DE MAL/G3KEV</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; =
COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: =
none">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk=20
href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">Graham</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 13, 2015 1:29 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; =
COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: =
none">
<DIV>Not yet, as far as we know Mal,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tom, G8HUH asked in the yahoo group =
after =20
his wspr spot , by the report Tom=20
achieved, FR5 , would of made it back to =
Uk with=20
his 60 watts in OP8 directly </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>73-G,</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net CTRL + Click to follow =
link"=20
href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">Mal Hamilton</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:51 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>">mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org></A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Does FR5ZX. Monitor opera on 477 KHz</DIV>
<DIV>A lot of acty tonite</DIV>
<DIV>De mal/g3kev</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On 12 Nov 2015, at 14:30, "mal hamilton" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV>
<META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588">
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">
<DIV>It would be interesting to compare OPERA against WSPR at that =
distance=20
to FR5ZX </DIV>
<DIV>also it would appear that a QRSS QSO would be possible on =
MF</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>73 de Mal.G3KEV</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; =
TEXT-DECORATION: none">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dluis@vigilant.es=20
href=3D"mailto:luis@vigilant.es">VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:11 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; =
TEXT-DECORATION: none">
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>Hi MF</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>Interesting conditions to Reunion last=20
night</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>A total of 23 spots from FR5ZX. Only four =
stations=20
reported</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>1 from G8HUH at -30</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>3 from SV8CS best -24</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>6 from DK7FC best -24</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>13 from EA5DOM best =
-19</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>From Rick Strobbe ON7YD reference site =
for LF=20
antennas I have seen his calculations for a =
vertical</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>antenna with inductive topload. May be is =
the=20
closer configuration to what I have managed to get =
here</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/#IndTop">http://www.strobbe.eu=
/on7yd/136ant/#IndTop</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>There is no mention to the feeding point =
for such=20
antenna. In my setup H(L) is 80m and I'm feeding</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>at the coil base. Total H is 80+11=3D=20
91m</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>The Ra calculated from Rick formulas is =
over 8 Ohm=20
(not mOhm)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>This radiation resistance seems too much =
to be=20
true. But results are proving really outstanding</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>I'm just feeding the antenna with 70W, =
believe it=20
or not and it is not really resonanting on WPSR frequency but on=20
488KHz</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>as I adjust the variometer up at the =
antenna and=20
then run a coax line to shack which changes it =
all</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>The 80m pipe which forms the H(L) is =
really more=20
complex in practice. It goes down to building =
basement</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>and there splits into different pipes. =
One connects=20
to presure compressor and water tank. The other =
runs</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>underground 40m to the twin tower and =
then runs up=20
again another 80m into the twin (parallel) tower</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>The pipe section running underground is =
not metal,=20
but plastic. The iner water column should work =
as</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>current conductor. That water is confined =
in the=20
pipes and presurized. Should be saturated with metal=20
oxide</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>similar to a heating circuit, so probably =
the=20
plastic pipe got metal deposits inside which make it even=20
better</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>conductor than the water colum=20
itself</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>Any thoughts ?? Am I getting >10% =
efficiency=20
??</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D032373809-11112015>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>73 de=20
Luis</FONT></DIV></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>EA5DOM</FONT> </FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Des class=3DOutlookMessageHeader align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><B>De:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org</A>=20
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g=
roup@blacksheep.org</A>]=20
<B>En nombre de </B>VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez<BR><B>Enviado =
el:</B> lunes, 09=20
de noviembre de 2015 16:01<BR><B>Para:</B> DK7FC; <A=20
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Re: LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px">From WSPR database, =
FR5ZX=20
transmitted in 503KHz. Is 630m band not allowed in Reuni=C3=B3n? =
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<P style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px">73 de Luis</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px">EA5DOM</P>
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0px"> </P><DEV3_JJY>Enviado=20
en portable</DEV3_JJY><BR><BR>------ Mensaje original =
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</B>DK7FC<SELBERDENKEN @posteo.de=3D""><BR><B>Fecha: </B>09/11/2015=20
14:48<BR><B>Para: </B><A=20
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href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>;<BR><B>Asunto:</B>Re:=20
LF: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR<BR><BR>Hi Genosse Roman,<BR><BR>FR5ZX is =
using a=20
resonated vertical antenna with capacitive top load near his house. =
He also=20
transmits with this antenna.<BR><BR>73, Stefan<BR><BR>Am 09.11.2015 =
01:35,=20
schrieb Roman RW3ADB:=20
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FR5ZX RX-setup? )</SPAN></DIV>
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