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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: That was the usual comment with the 100 mW erp for the Nov's , not past the garden gate , turns out , no one specified which garden gate ! G, From: Rik Strobbe Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:29 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: G4CFY writes off the 137kHz band [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 96e7ff1ec9673d9aa57a617c94da6cf3 Subject: Re: LF: G4CFY writes off the 137kHz band Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01CEACE2.B644ED80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_EXPERIENCE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2348 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CEACE2.B644ED80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That was the usual comment with the 100 mW erp for the Nov's = , not past the garden gate , turns out , no one specified which = garden gate ! G,=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:29 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: G4CFY writes off the 137kHz band Pete, all, the lack of experience / knowledge about longwave it not only in the ham = community. I remember that when the discussion about a longwave allocation for = amateur radio was going on (about 20 years ago) some parties involved = had no objection as they were sure that with the given limitation of 1 W = ERP hams would hardly be able "to reach the other side of town". 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk] Verzonden: zondag 8 september 2013 21:25 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: G4CFY writes off the 137kHz band Hi all I have to say I was very disappointed by that comment but assumed he had = no experience below 3.6mhz like the majority of Hams. I am a annual = subscriber to Practical Wireless which after all is the only counter = weight to RADCOMIC the Martin Lynch and Sons catalogue or the PIC = monthly as I call it. Schematics with a big blank square in the middle = with no construction details of what the hell it is or forgive me Hex = Code. Plus lots of generic schematics with no component details. Long = boring articles by people who should know better. So you pays your money = and takes your choice of Ham Radio comics. Even so I think PW needs a good talking to and to get a retraction or at = least print the case for MF/LF/VLF. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2013, 18:29 Subject: Re: LF: G4CFY writes off the 137kHz band And those who go a little more ,=20 Cams' comic=20 so im reliably informed=20 G,=20 But , what actually is he talking about in the article ? -------------------------------------------------- From: "pat" Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:20 PM To: Cc: "Warren Ziegler" Subject: Re: LF: G4CFY writes off the 137kHz band > Warren, > While many of us (particularly those of us of a certain age) have an=20 > affection stretching back to near childhood for that publication it is = > not for nothing that we nickname it "Practically Witless Monthly" :>) >=20 > 73 >=20 >=20 > On 08/09/13 02:53, Warren Ziegler wrote: >> >> Tony Nailer G4CFY has a bit in his "Practical Wireless" column=20 >> "Technical for the terrified" this month on the 137 kHz band in which = >> he writes it off as worthless. >> >> "With the limitation of antenna efficiency together with a bandwidth=20 >> of only 100Hz, there really isn't much that can be done with this = band." >> >> Anyone on the list know Tony? >> Who is in the best position to write a rebuttal that PW will publish? >> >> >> --=20 >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >=20 >=20 > --=20 > 73 de pat g4gvw > es gd dx > qth nr Felixstowe > East Coast UK >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CEACE2.B644ED80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That was  the  usual comment  with  = the   100=20 mW  erp   for the  Nov's   , not past = the =20 garden   gate  , turns  out , no one =20 specified   which garden  gate !
 
G,

Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: LF: G4CFY writes off the 137kHz = band

Pete, all,

 

the lack of experience / knowledge about longwave it not only in the = ham=20 community.

I remember that when the discussion about a longwave allocation for = amateur=20 radio was going on (about 20 years ago) some parties involved had no = objection=20 as they were sure that with the given limitation of 1 W ERP hams would = hardly be=20 able "to reach the other side of town".

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT=20 [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk]
Verzonden: zondag 8 september 2013=20 21:25
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: = Re: LF:=20 G4CFY writes off the 137kHz band

Hi all
I have to say I was very disappointed by that comment but assumed = he had no=20 experience below 3.6mhz like the majority of Hams. I am a annual = subscriber to=20 Practical Wireless which after all is the only counter weight = to RADCOMIC=20 the Martin Lynch and Sons catalogue or the PIC monthly as I call=20 it. Schematics with a big blank square in the middle with no = construction=20 details of what the hell it is or forgive me Hex Code. Plus lots of = generic=20 schematics with no component details. Long boring articles by people who = should=20 know better. So you pays your money and takes your choice of Ham Radio=20 comics.
 
Even so I think PW needs a good talking to and to get a retraction = or at=20 least print the case for MF/LF/VLF.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

From: Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Sunday, 8 = September=20 2013, 18:29
Subject: = Re: LF:=20 G4CFY writes off the 137kHz band

And those who go a little  = more  ,=20

Cams' comic

so  im reliably  informed =

G,=20

But  , what  actually  is  he  = talking =20 about in the  article =20 ?


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From: = "pat"=20 <g4gvw@aol.com>
Sent:=20 Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:20 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: "Warren = Ziegler"=20 <wd2xgj@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: LF: G4CFY = writes off the=20 137kHz band

> Warren,
> While many of us (particularly = those of=20 us of a certain age) have an
> affection stretching back to near=20 childhood for that publication it is
> not for nothing that we = nickname=20 it "Practically Witless Monthly" :>)
>
> 73
> =
>=20
> On 08/09/13 02:53, Warren Ziegler = wrote:
>>
>> Tony=20 Nailer G4CFY has a bit in his "Practical Wireless" column
>>=20 "Technical for the terrified" this month on the 137 kHz band in which=20
>> he writes it off as worthless.
>>
>> = "With the=20 limitation of antenna efficiency together with a bandwidth
>> = of only=20 100Hz, there really isn't much that can be done with this=20 band."
>>
>>  Anyone on the list know = Tony?
>>=20 Who is in the best position to write a rebuttal that PW will=20 publish?
>>
>>
>> --
>> 73 Warren=20 K2ORS
>>                = WD2XGJ
>>              =  =20 WD2XSH/23
>>              =  =20 WE2XEB/2
>>              =  =20 WE2XGR/1
>>
>
>
> --
> 73 de pat=20 g4gvw
> es gd dx
> qth nr Felixstowe
> East Coast = UK
>=20
>



 
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