Return-Path: <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tBP0taRK010062 for <sq5bpf@lipkowski.org>; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 01:55:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aCGcZ-0007SJ-CH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 00:52:39 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aCGcY-0007S9-WA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 00:52:38 +0000 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>) id 1aCGbU-0004Yf-4x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 00:52:37 +0000 Received: from AGB ([95.148.100.45]) by mwinf5d60 with ME id xcrG1r0070ylmBj03crGw8; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 01:51:16 +0100 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 01:51:16 +0100 X-ME-IP: 95.148.100.45 Message-ID: <F70BD3CC32F14F9FAD963254BC22E24C@AGB> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> References: <D79E856C24AB4716B428F951495EAD8E@PCFausto> <799769930.5217590.1450983130566.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <CAA8k23R_eTemzBRTt2Wt+BGktahOpytzXWcv9F++Q9ZAn=fgzg@mail.gmail.com> <D2C80FED-5532-46F4-8E38-F7BA43FE84F5@talktalk.net> <7ECCD02C96DB44DDA14B7E391889C0AD@AGB> <069A38A7-55E0-432A-8BB0-B103DEFA2B9A@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: <069A38A7-55E0-432A-8BB0-B103DEFA2B9A@talktalk.net> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 00:51:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Scan-Signature: 5888f019f789bb7da964f45b5f85ee04 Subject: Re: LF: Re: digi es CW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E5_01D13EAE.5C1FBAF0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5969 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E5_01D13EAE.5C1FBAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 'DT' may be ) From: Mal Hamilton=20 Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 9:26 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: digi es CW Graham This topic is meant to be an alternative to Turkey talk=20 Will there ever be a Digital Turkey? 1 =3D bite 0 =3D chew 10 =3D digest 01 =3D discharge AR SK Sent from my iPhone On 24 Dec 2015, at 20:52, "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: Mal even a support group for ex Radio Officers ! Cw And Manual Radio Activation=20 www.camra.org.uk=20 73-G,) From: Mal Hamilton=20 Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 8:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: digi es CW Youngsters Easy option DIgital=20 CW and RF skills to build equipment needs effort=20 G3kev Sent from my iPhone On 24 Dec 2015, at 19:15, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com> wrote: SSB and especially CW - just tooooo boring for those not yet retired = Killing amateur radio Where are the youngsters Embrace the 20th century now we're in the 21st Andy / G4JNT On 24 December 2015 at 18:52, David Hine <evad_hine@yahoo.co.uk> = wrote: Digital -the death of ham radio -boring!! -no proper research as = the 'feel' of real radio is lost -may as well go on Skype or Facebook!! Merry Christmas, Dave =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: Fausto Coletti <ik4nmf@gmail.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015, 17:07 Subject: LF: Re: digi es CW Never, never, never...rather I become friar and I go to a = cloistered convent !=20 And for delight of those who use only the digital mode, this is = the power supply of my HF PA.=20 https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tkndywd9v38dld/foto.JPG?dl=3D0=20 Merry Christmas to all analog or digital ham :-)) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 4:42 PM Subject: LF: digi es CW DIGI MODES Fall asleep over the keyboard Go for Xmas Dinner Go down the pub and get drunk Sleep for a week=20 And the rig still Belches out wspr or opera and is seen world wide, = no rush back for results. CW MODE Fall asleep over the PA running 2 x 4CX 1500 tubes=20 A flash and a bang Operator is Zapped and reduced to vapour=20 Signal never left the shack, no result Operator SK SK=20 You can see why DATA MODES are preferred, there is no option if = the operator of today wants to remain alive and is not in a hurry for = results Operators of today are sluggish and move in jerks sort of = robotic and are more suited to chips and not daring like those of = yesteryears that would glare at 200 Watt filaments with 10 Kilovolts on = the anode and had to move fast to avoid a SK SK situation I expect some old timers are also getting sluggish and moving = towards Digital, the easy life which also prolongs the pension. Merry Xmas and avoid Danger------think Digital de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_00E5_01D13EAE.5C1FBAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"></HEAD> <BODY style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-TOP: = 15px"=20 dir=3Dauto id=3DMailContainerBody leftMargin=3D0 topMargin=3D0 = CanvasTabStop=3D"true"=20 name=3D"Compose message area"> <DIV>'DT' may be )</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20 title=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net CTRL + Click to follow link"=20 href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">Mal Hamilton</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 24, 2015 9:26 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Re: digi es CW</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Graham</DIV> <DIV>This topic is meant to be an alternative to Turkey talk </DIV> <DIV>Will there ever be a Digital Turkey?</DIV> <DIV>1 =3D bite</DIV> <DIV>0 =3D chew</DIV> <DIV>10 =3D digest</DIV> <DIV>01 =3D discharge</DIV> <DIV>AR SK</DIV> <DIV><BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV> <DIV><BR>On 24 Dec 2015, at 20:52, "Graham" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk</A>>=20 wrote:<BR><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"> <DIV> <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"> <DIV>Mal even a support group for = ex Radio=20 Officers !</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>C</FONT></STRONG>w <STRONG><FONT=20 size=3D4>A</FONT></STRONG>nd <STRONG><FONT = size=3D4>M</FONT></STRONG>anual <FONT=20 size=3D4><STRONG>R</STRONG></FONT>adio <FONT size=3D4>A</FONT><FONT=20 size=3D3>ctivation </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: left; WIDOWS: 1; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; = BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; DISPLAY: block; = FONT: small/16px arial, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; LETTER-SPACING: = normal; HEIGHT: 17px; COLOR: rgb(128,128,128); WORD-SPACING: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"=20 class=3D"f kv _SWb"> <DIV=20 style=3D"POSITION: relative; MARGIN: 0px 3px; DISPLAY: inline; = VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle; -webkit-user-select: none"=20 class=3D"action-menu ab_ctl"> <DIV><FONT color=3D#006621><SPAN=20 style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: left; WIDOWS: 1; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; = BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; DISPLAY: inline = !important; FONT: 14px/16px arial, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; = FLOAT: none; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,102,33); WORD-SPACING: = 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><A=20 href=3D"http://www.camra.org.uk">www.</A></SPAN><A=20 href=3D"http://www.camra.org.uk"><B=20 style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: left; LINE-HEIGHT: 16px; WIDOWS: 1; = TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-VARIANT: = normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: arial, = sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: = rgb(0,102,33); FONT-SIZE: 14px; WORD-SPACING: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">camra</B><SPAN=20 style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: left; WIDOWS: 1; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; = BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; DISPLAY: inline = !important; FONT: 14px/16px arial, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; = FLOAT: none; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,102,33); WORD-SPACING: = 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"=20 title=3D"http://www.camra.org.uk/ CTRL + Click to follow = link">.org.uk</SPAN></A>=20 </FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV><SPAN=20 style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: left; WIDOWS: 1; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; = BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT: small/1.4 = arial, sans-serif; WORD-WRAP: break-word; WHITE-SPACE: normal; = LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(84,84,84); WORD-SPACING: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"=20 class=3Dst><BR class=3DApple-interchange-newline></SPAN></DIV> <DIV>73-G,)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20 title=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net CTRL + Click to follow = link"=20 href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">Mal Hamilton</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 24, 2015 8:12 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CTRL + Click to = follow link"=20 = href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Re: digi es CW</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Youngsters Easy option DIgital </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>CW and RF skills to build equipment needs = effort </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>G3kev<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV> <DIV><BR>On 24 Dec 2015, at 19:15, Andy Talbot <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:andy.g4jnt@gmail.com">andy.g4jnt@gmail.com</A>>=20 wrote:<BR><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"> <DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr>SSB and especially CW - just tooooo boring for those = not yet=20 retired=20 <DIV>Killing amateur radio</DIV> <DIV>Where are the youngsters</DIV> <DIV>Embrace the 20th century now we're in the 21st</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Andy / G4JNT</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR> <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On 24 December 2015 at 18:52, David Hine = <SPAN=20 dir=3Dltr><<A=20 title=3D"mailto:evad_hine@yahoo.co.uk CTRL + Click to = follow link"=20 href=3D"mailto:evad_hine@yahoo.co.uk"=20 target=3D_blank>evad_hine@yahoo.co.uk</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; = PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20 class=3Dgmail_quote> <DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: = HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif; = COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 13px"> <DIV><SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV>Digital -the death of ham radio -boring!! -no proper = research as=20 the 'feel' of real radio is lost -may as well go on Skype or=20 Facebook!!</DIV> <DIV>Merry Christmas, Dave<BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR></DIV> <DIV style=3D"DISPLAY: block"> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica = Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica = Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif; FONT-SIZE: 16px"> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial> <HR SIZE=3D1> <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Fausto = Coletti <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:ik4nmf@gmail.com"=20 target=3D_blank>ik4nmf@gmail.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"=20 target=3D_blank>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> <BR><B><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, 24 December = 2015,=20 17:07<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> = LF: Re:=20 digi es CW<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr> <DIV><SPAN lang=3Den><FONT=20 face=3DArial><SPAN>Never, never</SPAN><SPAN>,</SPAN>=20 never...<SPAN>rather </SPAN><SPAN>I = become</SPAN> <SPAN>friar</SPAN>=20 <SPAN>and</SPAN> <SPAN>I go</SPAN> <SPAN>to a <SPAN>cloistered=20 </SPAN>convent</SPAN> <SPAN>! </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=3Den><SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den><FONT = face=3DArial><SPAN>And</SPAN>=20 <SPAN>for delight</SPAN> <SPAN>of those who use</SPAN> <SPAN>only=20 the</SPAN> <SPAN>digital mode</SPAN><SPAN>,</SPAN> = <SPAN>this</SPAN>=20 <SPAN>is</SPAN> <SPAN>the power</SPAN> supply <SPAN>of my</SPAN> = HF=20 <SPAN>PA. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=3Den><FONT=20 face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=3Den><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN><A=20 = title=3D"https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tkndywd9v38dld/foto.JPG?dl=3D0 &#= 10;CTRL + Click to follow link"=20 href=3D"https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tkndywd9v38dld/foto.JPG?dl=3D0" = shape=3Drect=20 rel=3Dnofollow=20 = target=3D_blank>https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tkndywd9v38dld/foto.JPG?dl=3D0= </A><FONT=20 size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=3Den><FONT size=3D2=20 face=3DArial><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=3Den><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN>Merry = Christmas to all=20 analog or digital ham :-))</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 dir=3Dltr> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: = normal">-----=20 Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); = font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net = href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net"=20 shape=3Drect rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>mal hamilton</A> = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: = normal"><B>To:</B>=20 <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" shape=3Drect = rel=3Dnofollow=20 target=3D_blank>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: = normal"><B>Sent:</B>=20 Thursday, December 24, 2015 4:42 PM</DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: = normal"><B>Subject:</B>=20 LF: digi es CW</DIV> <DIV><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr> <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); = FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>DIGI MODES</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>Fall asleep over the keyboard</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>Go for Xmas Dinner</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>Go down the pub and get drunk</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>Sleep for a week </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>And</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>the rig still Belches out wspr or opera and = is seen=20 world wide, no rush back for results.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>CW MODE</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>Fall asleep over the PA running 2 x 4CX 1500 = tubes=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>A flash and a bang</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>Operator is Zapped and reduced to vapour = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>Signal never left the shack, no = result</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>Operator SK SK </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>You can see why DATA MODES are preferred, = there is no=20 option if the operator of today wants to remain alive and is not = in a=20 hurry for results</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>Operators of today are sluggish and move in = jerks sort=20 of robotic and are more suited to chips and not daring like = those of=20 yesteryears that would glare at 200 Watt filaments with 10 = Kilovolts on=20 the anode and had to move fast to avoid a SK SK = situation</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>I expect some old timers are also getting = sluggish and=20 moving towards Digital, the easy life which also prolongs the=20 pension.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>Merry Xmas and avoid Danger------think=20 Digital</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5>de G3KEV</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D5></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> = <DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><BR></DIV= ></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCK= QUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00E5_01D13EAE.5C1FBAF0--