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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Dimitris, sorry for that. I noticed my error after I sent out the first mail, my only excuse being that I was pretty much overwhelmed by the fantastic news. Yes I saw that wspr activity is on the upsurge in VK. Stefan and I discussed this this afternoon, and one thought was that keeping split bands might be a better idea. When several stations engage in two-way attempts in the same subband, the receivers will be likely affected by overloading and noiseblanker desensitizing effects. So you might want too consider staying with separate slots. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.206.41 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.6 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c8088209f89d60dfe9ce3de85595a130 Subject: Re: LF: Re: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CE0D57.D6BA9130" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41165121415a2c50 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CE0D57.D6BA9130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dimitris, sorry for that. I noticed my error after I sent out the first mail, my = only excuse being that I was pretty much overwhelmed by the fantastic = news. Yes I saw that wspr activity is on the upsurge in VK. Stefan and I = discussed this this afternoon, and one thought was that keeping split = bands might be a better idea. When several stations engage in two-way = attempts in the same subband, the receivers will be likely affected by = overloading and noiseblanker desensitizing effects. So you might want = too consider staying with separate slots. There was some uncertainty whether Dale's 50 W tag was meant to be TX = power or ERP. Hereabouts we've sort of settled on stating ERP, simply = because radiated power is the relevant quantity for SNR, whereas antenna = efficiencies can vary vastly. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: Dimitrios Tsifakis=20 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:09 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m G'day Markus, just a quick clarification - it wasn't me, it was Dale VK1DSH that transmitted the famous packet received in France. Since that incident, we changed our WSPR frequency to comply with the European one and we will be transmitting as often as we can in order to find out if this can be repeated! Dale is radiating similar amounts of RF to me, which I calculate to be around 0.5 W. 73, Dimitris 2013/2/17 Markus Vester : > Wow, that's excellent! I wouldn't have thought this is possible. > Congratulations to both Andy and Dimitris! > > Best 73, > Markus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andr=E9 Guy=E9 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:08 PM > Subject: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m > > From F6CNI : > > > > Hello, I give you some info about the MF reception of Dale VK1DSH = signal > here in France. > > > > For 2 weeks, the propagation between EU / VK on 160 meters is great, = and I > had some CW QSO barefoot. I think that for this DX path the = propagation on > MF may be similar than on 160 m ? > > > > At the date of this event, between the Dale and Andy QTH, the best = moment is > a bit before the grey line sunset in France, when the sun elevation is = about > 3=B0. But on 160 meters that needs especially good propagation and the = opening > is rare and very short, 5 to 15 minutes only. This moment is now = around 1645 > TU in my QTH. A bit later, when the sunrise at VK land in grey line, = that is > a second short period for success, around 1920 TU. That is true only = for > south to north hemisphere DX. > > > > For north / north path (EU to east coast or centre of States) the best > moment is simply in the middle of the night. But perhaps for longer = path, as > west coast the sunrise in Europe is better ? > > > > My garden is quite large but in centre of the city, a noisy location. > Antennas for LF / MF are an 85 meters long Inverted L and a K9AY. RX = are > IC7200, IC706MK2 and a FT1000MP. > > > > Only 3 miles away from my home, there is a golf. That is my second = hobby. > Due to the very bad weather in France for one month, there is a very = little > player=92s activity. So a week ago I hang on border of the golf a = simple > beverage using a very light wire. About 500 or a bit more meters long = aiming > to 80=B0 azimuth. For the test yesterday I had in my car the IC7200 on = 473.5 > USB and a portable computer (only 2 hours of autonomy) with 3G. I stay = on > place only during 40 minutes. That is the story. I catch one spot from = Dale. > > > > What that means ? The Beverage and not power line helps a lot giving a = very > low noise level. The use of the 473.5 USB QRG is good, because there = is not > any QRM on this frequency. And certainly a great propagation day, so I = was > lucky listening the good frequency at the best moment. What about the = use of > long period of TXing, as WSPR15 or QRSS ? For this very long path, I = think > that the opening duration time is too short for that use ? > > > > Now, as Dale said to me in a mail, one spot is not sufficient to valid = that. > So, I=92ll try again but it is necessary for me to hurry, because the = beverage > antenna must be dismounted in a short time. > > > > For information, I use some codes when I am receiving LF, MF or 160m: > > > > F6CNI : normal, listening only WSPR2 > F6CNI/2 : I am listening both WSPR2 and WSPR15 (giving F6CNI/15 = reports for > WSPR15) > F6CNI/RX1 and F6CNI/RX2 : I use 2 RX with 2 RX antennas > F6CNI/BEV : one RX is using the Beverage on the Golf location. > > > > Best 73. Sorry my poor english. > > > > F6CNI Andy. JN19QB > > > > > From: Markus Vester > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:53 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2 and WSPR 15 on 630m > > There's a thread in the VK 600m group discussing this unusual wspr = spot: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/600m/message/6415 > > Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: g3zjo > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2 and WSPR 15 on 630m > > Andy > > Was this direct? > > 2013-02-16 16:44 VK1DSH 0.475078 -29 0 = QF44ms > 50 F6CNI/BEV JN19qb 16832 310 > > Eddie G3ZJO > ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CE0D57.D6BA9130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dimitris,
 
sorry for that. I noticed my error = after I sent=20 out the first mail, my only excuse being that I was pretty much = overwhelmed=20 by the fantastic news.
 
Yes I saw that wspr activity is on the = upsurge in=20 VK. Stefan and I discussed this this afternoon, and one = thought was=20 that keeping split bands might be a better idea. When several = stations=20 engage in two-way attempts in the same subband, the receivers will = be=20 likely affected by overloading and noiseblanker desensitizing = effects.=20 So you might want too consider staying with separate=20 slots.
 
There was some uncertainty = whether Dale's 50 W=20 tag was meant to be TX power or ERP. Hereabouts we've sort of = settled on=20 stating ERP, simply because radiated power is the relevant = quantity=20 for SNR, whereas antenna efficiencies can vary vastly.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on=20 630m

G'day=20 Markus,

just a quick clarification - it wasn't me, it was Dale = VK1DSH=20 that
transmitted the famous packet received in France. Since that=20 incident,
we changed our WSPR frequency to comply with the European = one and=20 we
will be transmitting as often as we can in order to find out if=20 this
can be repeated! Dale is radiating similar amounts of RF to me,=20 which
I calculate to be around 0.5 W.

73,=20 Dimitris



2013/2/17 Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>:
>= ; Wow,=20 that's excellent! I wouldn't have thought this is possible.
>=20 Congratulations to both Andy and Dimitris!
>
> Best = 73,
>=20 Markus
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message = -----
>=20 From: Andr=E9 Guy=E9
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
>=20 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:08 PM
> Subject: LF: VK1DSH = reception in=20 France WSPR 2 on 630m
>
> From F6CNI=20 :
>
>
>
> Hello, I give you some info about the = MF=20 reception of Dale VK1DSH signal
> here in=20 France.
>
>
>
> For 2 weeks, the propagation = between EU=20 / VK on 160 meters is great, and I
> had some CW QSO barefoot. I = think=20 that for this DX path the propagation on
> MF may be similar than = on 160 m=20 ?
>
>
>
> At the date of this event, between the = Dale=20 and Andy QTH, the best moment is
> a bit before the grey line = sunset in=20 France, when the sun elevation is about
> 3=B0. But on 160 meters = that needs=20 especially good propagation and the opening
> is rare and very = short, 5 to=20 15 minutes only. This moment is now around 1645
> TU in my QTH. A = bit=20 later, when the sunrise at VK land in grey line, that is
> a = second short=20 period for success, around 1920 TU. That is true only for
> south = to north=20 hemisphere DX.
>
>
>
> For north / north path = (EU to=20 east coast or centre of States) the best
> moment is simply in the = middle=20 of the night. But perhaps for longer path, as
> west coast the = sunrise in=20 Europe is better ?
>
>
>
> My garden is quite = large but=20 in centre of the city, a noisy location.
> Antennas for LF / MF = are an 85=20 meters long Inverted L and a K9AY. RX are
> IC7200, IC706MK2 and a = FT1000MP.
>
>
>
> Only 3 miles away from my = home, there=20 is a golf. That is my second hobby.
> Due to the very bad weather = in=20 France for one month, there is a very little
> player=92s = activity. So a=20 week ago I hang on border of the golf a simple
> beverage using a = very=20 light wire. About 500 or a bit more meters long aiming
> to 80=B0 = azimuth.=20 For the test yesterday I had in my car the IC7200 on 473.5
> USB = and a=20 portable computer (only 2 hours of autonomy) with 3G. I stay on
> = place=20 only during 40 minutes. That is the story. I catch one spot from=20 Dale.
>
>
>
> What that means ? The Beverage and = not=20 power line helps a lot giving a very
> low noise level. The use of = the=20 473.5 USB QRG is good, because there is not
> any QRM on this = frequency.=20 And certainly a great propagation day, so I was
> lucky listening = the good=20 frequency at the best moment. What about the use of
> long period = of=20 TXing, as WSPR15 or QRSS ? For this very long path, I think
> that = the=20 opening duration time is too short for that use=20 ?
>
>
>
> Now, as Dale said to me in a mail, one = spot is=20 not sufficient to valid that.
> So, I=92ll try again but it is = necessary for=20 me to hurry, because the beverage
> antenna must be dismounted in = a short=20 time.
>
>
>
> For information, I use some codes = when I=20 am receiving LF, MF or 160m:
>
>
>
> F6CNI : = normal,=20 listening only WSPR2
> F6CNI/2 : I am listening both WSPR2 and = WSPR15=20 (giving F6CNI/15 reports for
> WSPR15)
> F6CNI/RX1 and = F6CNI/RX2 : I=20 use 2 RX with 2 RX antennas
> F6CNI/BEV : one RX is using the = Beverage on=20 the Golf location.
>
>
>
> Best 73. Sorry my = poor=20 english.
>
>
>
> F6CNI Andy.=20 JN19QB
>
>
>
>
> From: Markus = Vester
> Sent:=20 Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:53 AM
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
>=20 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2 and WSPR 15 on 630m
>
> There's a = thread in=20 the VK 600m group discussing this unusual wspr spot:
> http://groups.ya= hoo.com/group/600m/message/6415
>
>=20 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM)
>
> ----- Original Message = -----
>=20 From: g3zjo
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
>=20 Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:37 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR = 2 and=20 WSPR 15 on 630m
>
> Andy
>
> Was this=20 direct?
>
>   2013-02-16=20 16:44      VK1DSH      = 0.475078      -29      = 0      QF44ms
> = 50     =20 F6CNI/BEV      = JN19qb     =20 16832     310
>
> Eddie=20 G3ZJO
>

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