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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Wolf, Sorry for Re: delay. Thank you for the Examples. Besides in buttons is the Noise now also visible in my screencapture info. 73's, Peter PA1SDB €----- Original Message ----- From: wolf_dl4yhf To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:54 PM Subject: Re: LF: Not very stable now at 8970.000 Hz. 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Besides in buttons is the Noise now also visible in my screencapture info. 73's, Peter PA1SDB €----- Original Message ----- From: wolf_dl4yhf To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:54 PM Subject: Re: LF: Not very stable now at 8970.000 Hz. (~ 0.001 Hz) Hi Peter, To get a numeric indication of the noise floor, I suggest to use the lower-quartile algorithm. In SL, you would also define the frequency range in which to measure the noise. You can put the display on one of the 'programmable buttons' on the left side of the main window. Details: http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/speclab/controls.htm#programmable_buttons http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/speclab/interpr.htm#noise_func Example to put this all together (as an expression for a button's text). "Noise: "+str("###0.0",noise_n(300,2700))+"dBfs" 73, Wolf . Am 22.03.2013 10:16, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: Uwe, Looks stable and very strong over the night. That step in my 238 uHz window is because DHO went QRT for 1h. I use DHO 23.4 KHz experimental as reference in only this 238 uHz window. At 09h UTC today I did switch back to 22k1 as reference for Specrum Lab. At 06h30 was your signal very strong today. The cursor say's -116dB at that moment. Where do I read the noise floor in Spectrum Lab ? Average of the Yellow grab ? In that case Noise is -140dB Best 73's, Peter PA1SDB www.qsl.net/pa1sdb ----- Original Message ----- From: PA1SDB, Peter To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: Not very stable now at 8970.000 Hz. (~ 0.001 Hz) Hi Uwe, Between ~11 and ~16 h UTC today was stabillity perfect. Befor 11 was a short break and also after 16 h Not sure how it is right now. The new traces are building slowly and the picture is not complete yet. 73's, Peter. PA1SDB www.qsl.net/pa1sdb ----- Original Message ----- From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: Not very stable now at 8970.000 Hz. (~ 0.001 Hz) Hi Peter and Eddie, thanks for the hint. GL Uwe/dj8wx ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 20.03.2013 11:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Not very stable now at 8970.000 Hz. (~ 0.001 Hz) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Peter / Uwe Maybe that explains why when I ran my my Grabber yesterday I could detect nothing. I haven't been running any 8.9KHz for a while as my WSPR on 474KHz makes a mess. 73 Eddie G3ZJO On 20/03/2013 06:28, PA1SDB, Peter wrote: Hello Uwe, Your signal is not very stable now. www.qsl.net/pa1sdb It feels not good to me to complain about 0.001 Hz drift, but I hope you understand when you take a look at my grabber ;-) Thanks anyway for all the experimental broadcast's. Best 73's, Peter - PA1SDB ------=_NextPart_000_1295_01CE2951.5DECE8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello  Wolf,
Sorry for Re: delay.
Thank you for the Examples.
Besides in buttons is the Noise now also = visible in my=20 screencapture info.
73's, Peter PA1SDB
 
 
=80----- Original Message -----
From:=20 wolf_dl4yhf=20
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 = 12:54=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Not very = stable now at=20 8970.000 Hz. (~ 0.001 Hz)

Hi Peter,

To get a numeric = indication of the=20 noise floor, I suggest to use the lower-quartile algorithm. In SL, you = would=20 also define the frequency range in which to measure the noise. You can = put the=20 display on one of the 'programmable buttons' on the left side of the = main=20 window. Details:

http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/speclab/controls.htm#programmable_buttons

http://= www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/speclab/interpr.htm#noise_func

Example=20 to put this all together (as an expression for a button's=20 text).

"Noise:=20 = "+str("###0.0",noise_n(300,2700))+"dBfs"

73,=20
   Wolf .

Am 22.03.2013 10:16, schrieb PA1SDB,=20 Peter:
Uwe,
Looks stable and very strong over the=20 night.
That step in my 238 uHz window is because = DHO went=20 QRT for 1h.
I use DHO 23.4 KHz experimental as = reference in only=20 this 238 uHz window.
At 09h UTC today I did switch back to 22k1 = as=20 reference for Specrum Lab.
 
At 06h30 was your signal very strong=20 today.
The cursor say's -116dB at that=20 moment.
 
Where do I read the noise floor in = Spectrum Lab=20 ?
Average of the Yellow grab ?
In that case Noise is -140dB
 
Best 73's, Peter PA1SDB
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 PA1SDB, Peter
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, March 21, = 2013 9:24=20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: LF: Not = very stable=20 now at 8970.000 Hz. (~ 0.001 Hz)

Hi Uwe,
Between ~11 and ~16 h UTC today was = stabillity=20 perfect.
Befor 11 was a short break and also = after 16=20 h
Not sure how it is right = now.
The new traces are building slowly and = the picture=20 is not complete yet.
 
73's, Peter.
 
PA1SDB
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, March = 20, 2013=20 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Re: LF: Not = very=20 stable now at 8970.000 Hz. (~ 0.001 Hz)

Hi=20 Peter and Eddie,

thanks for the = hint.

GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Gesendet:=20 20.03.2013 11:07
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: = Re:=20 LF: Not very stable now at 8970.000 Hz. (~ 0.001 Hz)

Hi Peter / Uwe

Maybe that explains why when I ran my = my=20 Grabber yesterday I could detect nothing. I haven't been running = any=20 8.9KHz for a while as my WSPR on 474KHz makes a mess.

73 = Eddie=20 G3ZJO

On 20/03/2013 06:28, PA1SDB, Peter wrote:=20
Hello = Uwe,
Your signal is not = very stable=20 now.
 
www.qsl.net/pa1sdb
 
It feels not good to = me to=20 complain about 0.001 Hz drift, but I hope you understand = when you=20 take a look at my grabber ;-)
 
Thanks anyway for = all the=20 experimental broadcast's.
 
3D""=20
 
 
Best 73's, Peter -=20 PA1SDB 
 
 
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