Delivered-To: daveyxm@virginmedia.com Received: by 10.50.96.198 with SMTP id du6csp141928igb; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:47:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.198.44 with SMTP id iz12mr623568wic.32.1382122049712; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com. [195.171.43.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id vj5si1039582wjc.43.2013.10.18.11.47.29 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 195.171.43.25 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) client-ip=195.171.43.25; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 195.171.43.25 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) smtp.mail=owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; dkim=pass header.i=@mx.aol.com Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1VXEcZ-0008Hi-C2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:17:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1VXEcY-0008HZ-Sm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:17:58 +0100 Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com ([205.188.108.133]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VXEcW-0000xo-Sb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:17:57 +0100 Received: from mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.197]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 537047015E1F1 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from White (95-91-237-85-dynip.superkabel.de [95.91.237.85]) by mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 05649E00359E for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <000701cecb29$d06ee7f0$6401a8c0@JAYDELL> <2A50C7B96485434983B3AFAD5AC1432F@AGB> <1382118806.496011265@f276.i.mail.ru> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 20:17:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1382120274; bh=ZvI+Jn6Mac1iE8kOeGBid3ulJPdTFENAvM/h3+bLr9k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fLOtPJoT3QgDX69oU++9fMB5LBpxHA9JK0q3fply3iZ5hYNCKEd+ZCwZz2Rs8G71M 6C1hN+lr2MiTnnEAi4G/In5NknXnHAEe6NJLSxueIWhHthPUCeOtpts5qFiqNbT9qZ UYAQSwOAMr17/3JoAcKjmEOePIajP5smGqDog9rw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c552617b4e4ea5 X-AOL-IP: 95.91.237.85 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham, Alex, I'm not sure if I'd be happy about a strong signal, like that from Stefan, being hard-keyed once a second throughout the night... In any case, as far as I know, there are a few LF receivers set up for Op-8, but none for Op-4 so far. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.108.133 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.4 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 41a44ec7f64a884bcdc566aa8432178a Subject: Re: LF: Re[2]: T/A OPDS DK7FC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CECC3F.1D722970" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2717 Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CECC3F.1D722970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham, Alex, I'm not sure if I'd be happy about a strong signal, like that from = Stefan, being hard-keyed once a second throughout the night... In any = case, as far as I know, there are a few LF receivers set up for Op-8, = but none for Op-4 so far. In my opinion, if we are really interested in quantitative propagation = and fading patterns, plotting utility stations like DCF39 or HGA22 is = the way to go. Just my 0.5 Renminbi's worth... Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: Alex R7NT=20 Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:53 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re[2]: T/A OPDS DK7FC Graham, you wrote 18.10.2013, 20:23 MSK(GMT+4h): >Both ROS Hf/Mf data modes and Opera , s/n measurements use the path-sim = simulator as the calibration reference , which is higher than the levels = >produced by fldigi / wspr etc , ie transmission needs less power to = give the same db level=20 >May be Stefan could run OP4 on 136 at 100% duty cycle for one session , = that would give the first 'real' qsb profile of the TA path with a delta = T of 240 >seconds ? >(but give some warning if it happens !) >73-G,=20 >http://www.moetronix.com/ae4jy/pathsim.htm I can give OP4H on 136, but is not sure that somebody will RX me on the = other side of Atlantic now. Besides, I need to TX at freq 136900 - 136925 (RX 136000 USB dial) or I'm mistaken(?) 73! Alex R7NT 136.73.ru ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CECC3F.1D722970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham, Alex,
 
I'm not sure if I'd be happy about = a strong=20 signal, like that from Stefan, being hard-keyed once a = second throughout=20 the night... In any case, as far as I know, there are a few =20 LF receivers set up for Op-8, but none for Op-4 so=20 far.
 
In my opinion, if we are really = interested in=20 quantitative propagation and fading patterns, plotting utility stations = like=20 DCF39 or HGA22 is the way to go. Just my 0.5 Renminbi's=20 worth...
 
Best = 73,
Markus = (DF6NM)

From: Alex R7NT
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:53 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: Re[2]: T/A OPDS DK7FC

Graham,

you wrote 18.10.2013, 20:23 MSK(GMT+4h):

>Both ROS Hf/Mf data modes and Opera , s/n measurements use the = path-sim=20 simulator as the calibration reference , which is higher than the levels = >produced by fldigi / wspr etc , ie transmission needs less power to = give the=20 same db level

>May be Stefan could run OP4 on 136 at 100% = duty cycle=20 for one session , that would give the first 'real' qsb profile of the TA = path=20 with a delta T of 240 >seconds ?

>(but give some warning if = it=20 happens !)

>73-G,=20

>http://www.moetronix.com/ae4jy/pathsim.htm


I can give OP4H on 136, but is not sure that somebody will RX me = on the=20 other side of Atlantic now.
Besides, I need to TX at freq 136900 - = 136925 (RX=20 136000 USB dial)
or I'm mistaken(?)

73! Alex R7NT 136.73.ru

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CECC3F.1D722970--