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Can only  dream of  working dx like this  on cw  ...

2009-11-21 13:54   9M3KKR   0.503906   -23   1   OL69   1000   G3ZJO 
IO92ng   8894   325

mind  you  after  watching the  movie  ...perhaps  machine's can dream as 
well  ?

G ..

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From: "James Cowburn" <james.cowburn@virgin.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 2:12 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: RE: LF: WSPR : QSO or not QSO

>
> How do you know they are unattended?
>
>
> Jim
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
> Sent: 21 November 2009 14:05
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR : QSO or not QSO
>
> Two unattended machines had a QSO!!  Is that what you mean.
> g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR : QSO or not QSO
>
>
> CanI suggest you read thoroughly the documentation on how the mode
> works before making claims about the database.and validity.   The
> database can only be updated by stations decoding and reportoing, and
> if each QSO partner has a reciprocal report in the database for
> near-adjacent time intervals , then they MUST have been in contact
> with eachother and cannot be classed as anything bu a valid QSO. Its
> impossible to have achieved this in any other way.
>
> Please read all the documentation first.
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt.com
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> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health
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>
>
> 2009/11/21 Wolf Ostwald <df2py@t-online.de>:
>> Hello group !
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>>
>>
>> I am not an expert with WSPR at all. But I followed the discussion
> regarding
>> false detection of calls thru the database.
>>
>> To my understanding the WSPR operator has NO way to really find out
> whether
>> the computer came to the right conclusion about the calls received, or
>> whether it just judged by means of plausibility. We humans have no sense
> for
>> phaseshift, that means we have to believe the machine.
>>
>> I think that the database in the background is like a walking stick for
> the
>> blind.
>>
>> Of course it's a new and exciting technology, but I doubt that it is on
> one
>> and the same level with a regular exchange and therefore should not be
>> considered equally verifying a valid contact.
>>
>> My two pence worth de wolf df2py
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