Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj01.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.85]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD081-8b904d1330ce222; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 06:21:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mj01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 349F138000154; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 06:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PVjDk-0000iR-IX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:20:32 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PVjDj-0000iI-Ug for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:20:31 +0000 Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PVjDi-0001oo-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:20:31 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.215] by nm10.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2010 11:20:24 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.41] by tm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2010 11:20:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2010 11:20:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 587536.49678.bm@omp1026.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 1675 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2010 11:20:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=R3DLbpNCG8d5mumCUmIqSde5+0SlGIFhFNmQPCeBlaVYNHK9cyuCd5AYayWGtDRNvhXWAvssptC4Id4+WvYbJL9KwPeTFaREoDvIgpt6aFXNEGwfbK1wrdk2sp8PxsNDDZRwhLPKy/+jjqwmtoLHk33R6WRBZEkTv3TnSwkXQHE= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1293103224; bh=CiACmY2UDseWduB22AVw9NB698//1ew7HmYy4jMJq64=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Xx9eROq43Hh1FkxUqvZclfULrcopCtU2lVBl6MBeY5zJ2u1odpA+Qa5bQMvg91ZQKTO5vog1S4T6a2t4JB9Ivt1JdBVq5zmo6Z4cgV3kErB/5OwsE6Di68ycXBrbNcaMVW39TIw+wdJm+fMFePLaEmm3EJcYjLlKgSyPFxvNVrc= Received: from IBM7FFA209F07C (c.ashby435@86.169.134.138 with login) by smtp822.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2010 11:20:24 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: .u8e2g.swBByWKjbpA3lR6Fw.2ZEQrJJpVsTSrpXLCffsPaCEMY- X-YMail-OSG: zAaxtzgVM1kIButeAUsKceUDEnZKM_F78.dBMfn9Y8LcNCM Wkwgv9DWWTJHUIM75TUzx4Ks11TX5ILUqIENLsVywWnafaMJYzgcf4wcdOt2 BwWqOUCH75bHa2YIyLa_dNi0Pg5Z8ot7mGDMsoK8zrK9fv7kAKMiyRqzD9kC n.hs7JigNa9UO_21z1wmRS93cBKsDGEnetC6AOk0MBLyNRt2sfcc8rYLWFkF fnDqf.4MLMaWW6up0hW9Xn5BMmRf98U5n1G6cNnhTIGDNzIvOIJklkg42f2p APzVfdaIooGY6v0PjsXDklIlKZicROA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "Chris" To: References: <4D122CE9.26517.19CC01F@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:20:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Full ID Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m213.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039400c89a24d1330c9348e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Rik, The idea is fine. But, the problems I have with this are (1) Stations don't always notify us who they are and what they are up to (Mike, G3XDV, is a perfect example of how it should be done, keeping us FULLY informed), and (2) is where I agree with Stefan, what about listeners (lookers) who are not on this refelector? Two letters are of little use to them. I know two stations near me who look on 137 but are not on here - for various reasons. You just can't beat a full callsign, even if you do sometimes only get snatches of it. As it is, stations are often 'identified' by frequency with very dubious visual evidence! Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:04 AM Subject: LF: RE: Full ID Hello Mike, all, for propagation test purposes (sound much better than beaconing) all we need is an unambiguous identification. A single character will lead to confusion, but 2 characters should do the job. So what about using the 2 last characters of the callsign ? That would make most ID's more or less of the same length. G3XDV would use "DV", OR7T would use "7T", DF6NM would use "NM" and so on. I cannot see any conflicts right now (= 2 stations active in propagation tests with identical 2 last characters). Is national law requires a full id it can always be send in 12WMP CW. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Mike Dennison [mike.dennison@ntlworld.com] Verzonden: woensdag 22 december 2010 17:52 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Full ID OK, it seems that most people want full suffixes to be sent. I believe I had good reasons to use a short ID, but I am happy to go along with the majority view. Of course the final straw was Mal threatening not to talk to me! Beacon tonight (in addition to, and not instead of, real QSOs) will be on 136.177kHz, 'XDV' synchronised with the start of each hour. 73 de Mike ========