Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2CD44380000B8; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SsJzp-0000ws-Gl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:40:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SsJzo-0000wj-GT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:40:20 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SsJzl-00014E-BX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:40:19 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.14.156]) by mwinf5d40 with ME id ckgF1j00C3N19QJ03kgFwk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 22:40:16 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <30610FF92B7843A9A5178679FBDFF229@gnat>, <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAE4097@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <1342810732.77309.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <5009B950.10205@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <5009B950.10205@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:40:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Wolf, Well , I suspect, using emails , that's not quite the intent of the 'progress chasers' If I search the web group and reply to something , then up pops the advert .. Odd as non of the other groups have this full size add with timer , I see adverts , but only at the side of the screen and no time delay . 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Odd as non of the other = groups have this full size add with timer , I see adverts , but = only at the side of the screen and no time delay . I don't see the problem with this as it is ..now there is a web = feature for files , soap boxes and other things , then all is = ok , I remember when I started the google uk500khz group , there = was a big pie-fight over that ..some one even posted details of = how to join this reflector ... how things have changed ! 73 -G.=20 From: wolf_dl4yhf=20 Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:02 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo Hello Graham, To avoid this, let yahoo deliver the messages to you via email, and post = your messages to the yahoo group via email. Stay away from their flashy web interface. It seems to remember who you = are. For example, if I visit the Yahoo group's web interface from the = club station's PC, I also get these ads which I must "click away". From = home, on the same web interface, I never get these ads. On both = machines, cookies are disabled, javascript is disabled, etc. IP = addresses are not static so no big use in tracking them. So where's the = difference - i don't know.=20 All the best, Wolf (heading for DF0WD now; will let WSPR monitor 500 kHz from there but = cannot send spots in real time) Am 20.07.2012 21:17, schrieb Graham: Every time I post/read I am confronted with a full screen advert = ... which has a timer attached ,,, this is the only yahoo = group that this happens to me on .. why ? G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 7:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo Hi all I have been a member of the Softrock Yahoo group for years and it = works very very well. So I though it was a model that would read across = to the LF reflector and work as well. Like so many things that look good = on paper the reality is something different. I now feel that Yahoo = should earn its spurs before closing BS down, if that's possible. I = think using "Force / Power" to change a situation is totally wrong let = nature take its course, we appear to have the luxury of the alternative = option, let time tell. With minor issues my e-mail presentation of BS versus Yahoo is pretty = much the same. I direct both BS and Yahoo to the same folder so that I = have a continuous thread of mails from both sources. Probably Yahoo is = not so immediate as BS but if I am anxious to hear the latest and = greatest PIC driven project from Andy G4JNT or the most recent = application of an SBL-1 monolithic mixer from Roger G3XBM I can click = onto Yahoo group direct or wait 1/2 a day and receive it with all the BS = traffic anyway. In the words of a famous TV rodent "Seeeemple... = squeek!!" 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk" = ; "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" = =20 Sent: Friday, 20 July 2012, 18:12 Subject: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo Hello Roger, this evening I have a grabber running and wanted to announce it on = the Yahoo and Blacksheep reflectors. I had to scroll back to last Sunday = to find a mail from the Yahoo reflector.=20 A quick count showed that over the past week I received 3 mails from = Yahoo and about 35 mails from Blacksheep. I agree that Yahoo has a lot more bells but despite that Blacksheep = seems still the place to be. So there seems to be a lot of "anti-capitalists" active on LF/MF ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS: I endorse the "live and let live" statement of Thierry (F4EOB) Van: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk = [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] namens G3XBM [rogerlapthorn@gmail.com] Verzonden: zaterdag 14 juli 2012 20:52 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo =20 Dear LF, IMHO it's time we all moved across to this Yahoo group and shut down = the Blacksheep. Having two lists is a pain. Those of us who've moved = here surely agree it is every bit as good as the Blacksheep list, and in = many ways much better.=20 What I still totally fail to understand is why good keen LF folks = like Stefan DK7FC, steadfastly refuse to move. It is almost like an = anti-capitalist stand, which frankly is a bit silly. It costs us nothing = and gives us a lot. 73s Roger G3XBM (PS thanks GW0EZY for the -31dB WSPR report on 500kHz just now) --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Alan Melia" = wrote: > > Hi Geri that sounds like a recipe for an interminable ping pong, = eating bandwidth and getting the group a bad name!! It is just too much = to expect of the administrators to do this manually. Managing the = blacksheep it is getting increasing difficult. I dont think the = intention ever was to run two reflectors. Of course there is nothing to = stop those who object to joining the Yahoo! Group from setting up their = own. Mailman, and Majordomo are open source as far as I am aware. >=20 > Some members are likely to object to their messages being = auto-forwarded in that way too. >=20 > Alan > G3NYK > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW=20 > To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@...=20 > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:17 PM > Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Blacksheep and Yahoo >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike, >=20 > Woule there be any way to "relay" any blacksheep.org content to = Yahoo and vice evrse., e.g that rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk will = "subscribe" to the blacksheep messages and rsgb_lf_group@... becomes a = member of the Yahoo group? >=20 > By that method each of us could decide what way they prefer to = exchange information, but no information would be lost! >=20 > /3 >=20 > Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Mike Dennison=20 > To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: LF: Transmitting on 477kHZ today >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yes, Wolf, there are still a few who have not migrated to Yahoo. = This=20 > is very inefficient and leads to double-posting, and missed=20 > information. Possibly there are some people who don't know the = Yahoo=20 > group exists. I am giving it as much publicity as I can from my = web=20 > sites. >=20 > Mike, G3XDV > g3xdv.blogspot.co.uk > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/ >=20 > > Hello Mike, > >=20 > > Thanks for the info. > > Where did Roland spot the original message - on the old = Blacksheep > > thing, from which I unsubscribed weeks ago ? .. are there other = skeds > > etc being made there still, which we are missing here ? Also = haven't > > heard anything from Stefan and others for some time, which is > > suspicious. > >=20 > > Have a nice weekend, and "happy impact" (from the announced CME) = :) > >=20 > > 73, > > Wolf DL4YHF / DF0WD qrv again later. > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison" > > wrote: > > Received WSPR on 477kHz (dial) from > > DF0WD, DL3DNR and DK6NI > yesterday evening, More details at: > > g3xdv.blogspot.co.uk > > Mike, G3XDV > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D: > > > Hello, > > > > I'm transmitting on 477kHz with WSPR at 17:00 UTC. ERP 0.8W. > > > > Antenna 50m, 15m high. > > > > 73 > > Roland DL3NDR > > > > > > = > > > > >=20 > >=20 > > > __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (16)=20 Recent Activity: a.. 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Ok Wolf,
 
Well ,  I suspect, using   emails  ,  =20 that's  not  quite  the  intent of the  = 'progress=20 chasers'  If I search the  web group and  = reply  to=20 something  , then  up pops the  advert ..  Odd  = as  non of  the  other groups  have this  = full =20 size add with  timer  ,  I see  adverts , but =20 only  at the  side  of the  screen  and  = no =20 time  delay .
 
I don't  see  the  problem  with  = this =20 as  it  is ..now there is a web feature  for  files = , soap=20  boxes and  other  things   , then  all  = is =20 ok , I remember   when I started the  google  =20 uk500khz  group  , there  was  a big  = pie-fight =20 over  that  ..some  one  even posted  = details  of=20 how to  join  this   reflector ...  how = things =20 have  changed !
 
 
 
73 -G.
 
 

From: wolf_dl4yhf
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:02 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and=20 Yahoo

Hello Graham,

To avoid this, let = yahoo deliver=20 the messages to you via email, and post your messages to the yahoo group = via=20 email.
Stay away from their flashy web interface. It seems to = remember who=20 you are. For example, if I visit the Yahoo group's web interface from = the club=20 station's PC, I also get these ads which I must "click away". From home, = on the=20 same web interface, I never get these ads. On both machines, cookies are = disabled, javascript is disabled, etc. IP addresses are not static so no = big use=20 in tracking them. So where's the difference - i don't know.

All = the=20 best,
  Wolf
 (heading for DF0WD now; will let WSPR = monitor 500=20 kHz from there but cannot send spots in real time)

Am 20.07.2012 = 21:17,=20 schrieb Graham:
Every time I post/read  I am confronted with a  = full =20 screen  advert ...  which  has a  timer =20 attached  ,,,  this  is the  only  = yahoo  group=20 that  this  happens  to  me  on .. why = ?
 
G..

From: M0FMT =
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and=20 Yahoo

Hi all
 
I have been a member of the Softrock Yahoo group for years and it = works=20 very very well. So I though it was a model that would read across to = the LF=20 reflector and work as well. Like so many things that look good on = paper the=20 reality is something different. I now feel that Yahoo should earn its = spurs=20 before closing BS down, if that's possible. I think using "Force / = Power" to=20 change a situation is totally wrong let nature take its course, we = appear to=20 have the luxury of the alternative option, let time tell.
With minor issues my e-mail presentation of BS versus Yahoo is = pretty=20 much the same. I direct both BS and Yahoo to the same folder so = that I=20 have a continuous thread of mails from both sources. Probably Yahoo is = not so=20 immediate as BS but if I am anxious to = hear the=20 latest and greatest PIC driven project from Andy G4JNT or the = most recent application = of an SBL-1=20 monolithic mixer from Roger G3XBM I can click onto Yahoo group = direct or=20 wait 1/2 a day and receive it with all the BS traffic anyway. In the = words of=20 a famous TV rodent "Seeeemple... squeek!!"
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.= be>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroup= s.co.uk"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogr= oups.co.uk>;=20 "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org>=20
Sent: Friday, 20 = July=20 2012, 18:12
Subject: LF:=20 RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo

Hello Roger,
 
this evening I have=20 a grabber running and wanted = to announce it on the=20 Yahoo and Blacksheep reflectors. I had to scroll back to=20 last Sunday to find a mail from the Yahoo reflector.=20
A quick count showed that = over the=20 past week I received 3 mails from Yahoo = and about 35=20 mails from Blacksheep.
I agree that Yahoo has a lot=20 = more bells but despite that Blacksheep seem= s still=20 the place to be.
So there seems = to be a=20 lot of "anti-capitalists" active on LF/MF ;-)
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
 
PS: I endorse the "live and let live" = statement=20 of Thierry (F4EOB)
 
Van: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20 [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk]=20 namens G3XBM [rogerlapthorn@gmail.com]
<= B>Verzonden:=20 zaterdag 14 juli 2012 20:52
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk
Onderwerp:=20 [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and = Yahoo

  =
Dear LF,

IMHO it's time we = all moved=20 across to this Yahoo group and shut down the Blacksheep. Having two = lists is=20 a pain. Those of us who've moved here surely agree it is every bit = as good=20 as the Blacksheep list, and in many ways much better.

What I = still=20 totally fail to understand is why good keen LF folks like Stefan = DK7FC,=20 steadfastly refuse to move. It is almost like an anti-capitalist = stand,=20 which frankly is a bit silly. It costs us nothing and gives us a=20 lot.

73s
Roger G3XBM

(PS thanks GW0EZY for the = -31dB WSPR=20 report on 500kHz just now)

--- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Alan Melia" <Alan.Melia@...>=20 wrote:
>
> Hi Geri that sounds like a recipe for an = interminable=20 ping pong, eating bandwidth and getting the group a bad name!! It is = just=20 too much to expect of the administrators to do this manually. = Managing the=20 blacksheep it is getting increasing difficult. I dont think the = intention=20 ever was to run two reflectors. Of course there is nothing to stop = those who=20 object to joining the Yahoo! Group from setting up their own. = Mailman, and=20 Majordomo are open source as far as I am aware.
>
> = Some=20 members are likely to object to their messages being auto-forwarded = in that=20 way too.
>
> Alan
> G3NYK
> ----- Original = Message=20 -----
> From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW
> = To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@...
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, = 2012 6:17=20 PM
> Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Blacksheep and Yahoo
> =
>=20
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> Woule = there be=20 any way to "relay" any blacksheep.org content to Yahoo and vice = evrse., e.g=20 that rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk will "subscribe" to the blacksheep messages and=20 rsgb_lf_group@... becomes a member of the Yahoo group?
> =
> By=20 that method each of us could decide what way they prefer to exchange = information, but no information would be lost!
>
> = /3
>=20
> Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
>
>
>
> = -----=20 Original Message -----
> From: Mike Dennison
> To: = rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:48 = PM
> Subject:=20 Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: LF: Transmitting on 477kHZ today
> =
>=20
>
> Yes, Wolf, there are still a few who have not = migrated to=20 Yahoo. This
> is very inefficient and leads to = double-posting, and=20 missed
> information. Possibly there are some people who = don't know=20 the Yahoo
> group exists. I am giving it as much publicity as = I can=20 from my web
> sites.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
>=20 g3xdv.blogspot.co.uk
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/=
>
> > Hello Mike,
> > =
> >=20 Thanks for the info.
> > Where did Roland spot the original = message=20 - on the old Blacksheep
> > thing, from which I = unsubscribed weeks=20 ago ? .. are there other skeds
> > etc being made there = still,=20 which we are missing here ? Also haven't
> > heard anything = from=20 Stefan and others for some time, which is
> > = suspicious.
>=20 >
> > Have a nice weekend, and "happy impact" (from the = announced CME) :)
> >
> > 73,
> > Wolf = DL4YHF /=20 DF0WD qrv again later.
> >
> >
> > --- = In=20 rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison"
> > <mike.dennison@> = wrote:=20 > > Received WSPR on 477kHz (dial) from
> > DF0WD, = DL3DNR and=20 DK6NI > yesterday evening, More details at:
> >=20 g3xdv.blogspot.co.uk > > Mike, G3XDV > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D: > > >=20 Hello, > >
> > I'm transmitting on 477kHz with WSPR = at 17:00=20 UTC. ERP 0.8W. > >
> > Antenna 50m, 15m high. > = > >=20 > 73 > > Roland DL3NDR > > > > > > > = >=20 >
> >
> >
>=20 >
>

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