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From: "Chris" <c.ashby435@btinternet.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:25:20 -0000
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: problems with mails to the list?
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Hi Jacek,
Strange, if anything I get the opposite problem - I often get the same mail 
twice!! No idea why.
Regarding the list being quieter, I would suggest that's because it has 
become dominated by mails relating to much lower frequencies of little 
practical use to most of us.
Vy 73,
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jacek Lipkowski" <sq5bpf@lipkowski.org>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: problems with mails to the list?


> Thanks Alan,
>
> Yes i'm aware that many people don't know how smtp works, and that ISPs 
> break it badly while trying to fight spam (btw this is why i run my smtp 
> servers, some of the things isps do are totally unacceptable and 
> uncontrollable by the end user).
>
> This is why i asked for info from people that are getting bounces, and 
> that didn't have problems previously but now have them (maybe i didn't 
> write this clearly enough). The list has been quieter lately. I know of a 
> user that started to have problems recently, and bounces related to tls 
> problems (probably related to people being more keen on upgrading openssl 
> recently).
>
> VY 73
>
> Jacek / SQ5BPF
>
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2017, Alan Melia wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 00:13:29 -0000
>> From: Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
>> Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: LF: Re: problems with mails to the list?
>>
>> Jacek, there are a number of possible reasons why messages do not "seem" 
>> to go through the mailing list. I write seem in quotes because many do 
>> not understand the route the messages take. Also I remind that not 
>> receiving your posting back is not proof it did not arrive or that other 
>> members did not get it. The situation is massively complicated by the 
>> various ISP servers apply their own rules to try to reduce spam. Bounces 
>> are generally not received from this group I believe. And undelivered 
>> message report is also dumped. One reason is the obvious one of the ease 
>> of producing a "ping-pong" effect.
>>
>> There is little problem with UK originated messages though one or two 
>> even have problems here. The most often reported losses are from non-UK 
>> originators. In many cases we in the UK see the distribution but the 
>> originator does not get his posting back. This is aften a function of the 
>> ISP who it would seem regards messages to the originator are likely to be 
>> spam. I have several cases of this happening with specific ISPs on Yahoo 
>> Groups. Some globe-trotting users like Laurence KL7L were unable to post 
>> from China. We think this was route blacklisting but having no access to 
>> admin we have no way of confirming.
>>
>> All I can say is use text (not HTML) which can confuse the parser, keep 
>> messages and particularly attachments below about 200kB (I can't now 
>> remember the actual limit....it may be more than this but is certainly 
>> not exceeding 500kB).
>>
>> Do not leave the subject line blank if there is an attachment, because 
>> this trips up the parser.
>>
>> Make sure you use the exact posting address you subscribed with. I 
>> believe gmail and googlemail are regarded as the same but they are two 
>> separate addresses to an ancient list-server like this. If the problem 
>> continues I suggest re-subscribing with a different address.
>>
>> Now there have been significant delays reported on several lists in the 
>> last few days. Yahoo has be delaying occasional messages 3 or 4 days. 
>> This can be due to congestion during DDoS attacks.
>>
>> As I said I have no admin access to this server but if the member having 
>> problems would like to copy me in on postings to the group, I can check 
>> arrival at least.
>> Alan
>> G3NYK
>> Yahoo Group moderator
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacek Lipkowski" 
>> <sq5bpf@lipkowski.org>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 10:12 PM
>> Subject: LF: problems with mails to the list?
>>
>>
>>> does anyone have problems sending mail to this list? if so could you 
>>> please send me the bounced message that you got (off list of course)?
>>>
>>> one of the members of this list wrote me that he has problems having his 
>>> emails accepted since a few days because of problems negotiating tls (so 
>>> far we don't know if it's a problem with this list's email servers, or 
>>> his provider's email servers. both seem to do tls 1.2 without problem). 
>>> maybe this is the reason why this list has less posts lately (summer 
>>> propagation on lf/mf might be another reason).
>>>
>>> btw i have never had any problems with emails bouncing or being delayed, 
>>> but some people reported it in the past.
>>>
>>> VY 73
>>>
>>> Jacek / SQ5BPF
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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