Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48044 invoked from network); 26 May 2004 13:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore04.plus.net with SMTP; 26 May 2004 13:46:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 77000 invoked from network); 26 May 2004 13:46:03 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 26 May 2004 13:46:00 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BSyjI-000JIo-Kd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 26 May 2004 13:46:00 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BSyiF-0005ha-Nl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:44:55 +0100 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BSyiF-0005hP-0B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:44:55 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.salmark.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BT5Ga-0003xZ-FA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:44:48 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: altair Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1BSygx-0006Ga-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:43:35 +0100 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.164.230 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=JamesMorrits) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1BSygw-0006Pq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:43:34 +0100 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:43:33 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: RE: G0MRF-TX-ouput circuit troubles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Dear Dick, LF Group, >Maybe there is an error in the schematic, from which I do not know. I am not aware of one... >The output transformer and some of the surrounding components seem >to play a key role in the results obtained. Certainly true... >I tried the tip Jim, M0BMU gave, with 2x4t bifilair (made of 3x4x0.3mm >wire) >as primaire coil, and 16 turns secundair. >This coil didn't gave the results I expected. >I found an primairy inductance of 150uH , between the two outher wires and >37uH between the centre tap and each outher wire. >The secundairry inductance around 600uH. These values are almost identical to what I got for my transformer, and are quite sensible for this circuit. But note that, if you use this transformer, it is absolutely essential to do the other circuit mods I mentioned at the same time (i.e., eliminate C23, increase choke value, replace 10n drain capacitors with series RC), otherwise things will be made worse rather than better. Examining the waveforms with an oscilloscope will reveal whether things are working properly or not. The gate drive waveform should be a slightly rounded-off square wave about 12v pk-pk, while the drain voltage should be a sort of half-wave rectified sine wave with peak amplitude roughly 3 times the DC supply voltage (although it will also contain some switching spikes, and if using the original 'MRF output filter, you actually get a bit more than half a sine wave cycle). If you have a current probe (or make a suitable current transformer), the source current should be approximately a square wave (probably with some ringing at the leading edge), with an amplitude equal to the DC input current. The waveforms for both MOSFETs should be identical, but 180degrees out of phase of course. The voltage at the transformer secondary will be roughly sinusoidal, with peak amplitude close to 4 times the drain waveform amplitude. In the original circuit, I found the waveforms had multiple peaks for each cycle of the input drive signal, due to resonances at higher frequencies involving the transformer leakage inductance, the MOSFET capacitance and the other capacitors in the circuit. The amplitudes of these higher frequencies were larger than the 137kHz signal. The filter prevents most of these harmonics reaching the load, so there was still substantial 137kHz output, but the higher frequency signal components circulating in the PA led to greatly increased losses and reduced efficiency. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU