Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53503 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 14:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 14 May 2004 14:04:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 34406 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 14:04:00 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 14 May 2004 14:03:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BOdI6-0008eZ-HG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:03:58 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BOdHQ-0002QU-Bi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:03:16 +0100 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BOdHP-0002QL-Ks for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:03:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.18] (helo=public.thorcom.com) by relay.salmark.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BOjpy-0000PL-Lr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 22:03:22 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by public.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BOccr-0007cJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:21:21 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: altair Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1BOcYM-0000I0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:16:42 +0100 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.164.230 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=JamesMorrits) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1BOcYL-0006R9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:16:41 +0100 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:16:36 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: VDC source with microvolt resolution Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 >Good. You analysis shows that what remains as a concern is only the >noise. Anybody knows of >an op-amp (readily available) better than the OP27, as far as noise is >concerned ? TNX. >73 Alberto I2PHD Dear Alberto, LF Group, I think Johan's "PWM-ed PWM" is a better idea, since you should be more or less guaranteed a monotonic Vout vs. input code transfer function for the DAC. I don't think op-amp noise in the filter will be a major problem - the noise voltage is proportional to sqrt(bandwidth), and the bandwidth is only a small fraction of a Hz. The high resistor values needed for the filter and their associated thermal noise mean that an op-amp with a low input noise voltage is pointless (1Meg has about 130nV/rootHz)- it is more important to minimize the input current noise, ie. use a FET input device. The active filter op-amp driving the EFC will have wide-band noise in its output, but most of this could be filtered out with a simple RC section (say 1kohm/100uF) between the op-amp and the EFC pin. In some work on an electrometer circuit I did some years back, I found the newer types of CMOS op-amp, like the LMC660/LMC662 were cheap and good in this sort of application. Usually, the noise and drift of the op-amp was less significant than thermal effects, leakage, vibration, cross-talk from the other parts of the circuit and all sorts of peculiar effects that plague DC circuits at the uV level. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU