Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75882 invoked from network); 12 May 2004 11:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore04.plus.net with SMTP; 12 May 2004 11:54:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 16156 invoked from network); 12 May 2004 11:54:45 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 May 2004 11:54:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BNsJt-0003rI-PZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:54:41 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BNsIs-0003iI-Pi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 12:53:38 +0100 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BNsIr-0003i9-Mv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 12:53:37 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.salmark.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BNyrF-00047Z-Oo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:53:33 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: altair Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1BNrkt-0002dY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 12:18:31 +0100 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.164.230 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=JamesMorrits) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1BNrks-0006aC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 12:18:31 +0100 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:18:30 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: RE: G0MRF transmitter problems- investigations (long!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Dear LF Group, I built one of the G0MRF TX boards a few years back, with the intention of using it for /P operation, but other things have prevented me doing that yet... Reading about PA4VHF's problems persuaded me to try running my board at full output. I found I had similar problems to the ones Dick describes - the DC supply current was rather high, and components got hot, especially the output transformer. Increasing the DC input to more than about 100W led to things getting excessively hot. My board is quite faithful to the original G0MRF article, using the 2x 42mm 3C85 toroid cores, which made it unlikely that Dick's LOPT core was the source of the trouble. Although these salvaged cores are not an exact equivalent, the ferrite material and the other core parameters are certainly very similar, so one can expect very similar performance. There are 2 basic types of class D amplifier, the voltage-fed type, where the power supply is a low impedance voltage source and the load is series resonant at the operating frequency (the Decca PAs are this type), and current-fed type, where the supply is a current source (in practice fed through a choke) and the load is parallel resonant at the operating frequency. Ideally, the voltage-fed type has a square-wave voltage at the MOSFET drains, and a sinusoidal drain current, while the current-fed type has sinusoidal drain voltage and square-wave drain current. Looking at the circuit, David's design seems to be half way between the two; the supply decoupling capacitor has a reactance comparable with the load impedance, so the supply voltage to the transformer primary is by no means constant, but neither is it a high impedance, constant current, so one would expect the voltage and current waveforms to be some kind of distorted sine wave. However, the low-pass output is very low loaded Q, and so is not really series or parallel resonant... I wasn't sure what to expect! Connecting up the scope showed actual waveforms that reminded me of those bizarre spiky deep-sea fishes you see on TV nature programs, with very heavy ringing with high frequency spikes and lower frequency undulations. Ringing was occurring basically at 2 frequencies; roughly 300kHz and 1.6MHz, with the ringing currents actually larger than the desired 136kHz current. This explains the high losses in the transformer. Some experimentation showed that the 1.6MHz resonance was due to a combination of the MOSFET output capacitance and the leakage inductance of the transformer primaries. The 300kHz ringing was associated with the primary and secondary leakage inductance, the input capacitor of the LPF, and the 470n "decoupling" capacitor. The output waveform of the transformer was a totally different shape, supporting the idea that leakage inductance was the main culprit for the peculiar waveforms. To improve circuit operation, I did 2 things. First, I wound a new output transformer with lower leakage inductance. The primaries are 2 x 4 turns, wound in bifilar fashion to minimize leakage inductance between them. The secondary is 16 turns to give the same 4:1 ratio as before. The windings are made as compact as possible rather than distributing them around the whole core, with the primaries wound directly on top of the secondary to minimize leakage flux. I used a salvaged line output transformer core of identical dimensions to the one Dick describes. The new transformer has much lower winding inductance than the original - the secondary is about 500uH instead of a couple of mH of the original - but the inductance is still more than adequate. The reduced leakage inductance shifts the 1.6MHz ringing to about 8MHz; I replaced the original 10nF capacitors between the MOSFET drains and ground with a series combination of 5ohm/4.7nF, which largely damps this out. I also modified the circuit so that it is definitely voltage-fed, by replacing the power supply choke with a short circuit (decoupling the transformer centre tap to ground with about 5uF total, and replacing the pi-section output filter with a series-tuned tank circuit of 11.5nF/110uH. The leakage inductance of the secondary is absorbed into the series tank circuit inductance, which effectively kills the 300kHz resonance. The new circuit has voltage and current waveforms which are much closer to the "text book" voltage-fed class D, apart from some switching spikes where the MOSFETs turn on and off. Running with 40V, 10A DC input, the efficiency seems to be over 90%, and after 20 minutes key-down operation, the MOSFETs and transformer were certainly warm but still acceptable temperature. The damping resistors connected to the MOSFET drains dissipate a few watts each I guess. So this seems to improve things greatly. There are still things to be done; at the moment the loaded Q of the series tank circuit is only about 2 (the components were to hand...), so there is some visible distortion of the output waveform with a resistive load, so I might increase the Q or change the output network design. It should be possible to further reduce the leakage inductance of the transformer primary by using metal strip windings. It might be interesting to try a current-fed variant, although the tank circuit component values will be more awkward. I hope this is enough to suggest a way forward, although I don't have time to go into more detail at the moment - I hope to write up some more info on this later, perhaps at the weekend. Obviously, the operation of the original circuit will be very dependent on the exact transformer construction - I think this may explain why some builders have had trouble, whilst others have had good results from this type of circuit. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU