Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: dcc1: mailn 1182; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v2OKbiB2001886 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:37:45 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1crVtS-0005Kr-Ev for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:33:06 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1crVtM-0005Ki-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:33:00 +0000 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1crVtJ-0008Cb-Gu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:32:59 +0000 Received: from Clemens0811 ([79.208.159.213]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MOTRh-1cllFy1UF3-005mwH for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:32:55 +0100 From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <1571552606.20170324191313@gmail.com> <15b01dc2110-79d2-20114@webprd-a48.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <15b01dc2110-79d2-20114@webprd-a48.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:32:54 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AdKk16pYUoy9pig1TkSlQdibmQELdAABXBUw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:sdb4AGysahG5GzR4tGPqzSEoUi8TSJd28AUKfmurNDckLEyRN+T KnJw4+5DlpB4rB7lRVkhuTvt/wlaa1epE1x1NkzFRQmyJ+eYd3p5QqzsAPZsy6SChU38m26 08MybTssVAEl7kT21E8KS6TGlSvB2NuzMeAGATfRkN5UByrnJA+NiwaK+wDoJh/8nBAKfCC 45d2mseqJeGKeJ1zKPPZQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:MM29GXf/MQw=:Gre7tGJqKi5S9sm4+lp4FB 3nC/9ebxD5kZlxeIgBvROh6polDbCAPWjqTd1G4YoB/xFij1T86OA+gKu6k2CRY8wTg2Y1BIO Wm3NQeKXHCsKtdoIUsqNxqnSgcnb7KZGArpM0nvIrDulyNG/tm/74sG9Mlu7Sk+dZKqJpf+gu mGxM995uvJ9V0jubLAmFhrDlXy7UYhNEOk6gpRR4ECUPnTovVQZWyOEEiRc6rLcC6yuKq0FVb 9hU0A3d8JuXjp5AWO4LSPxsoJfe070hwXxFvYiJEv49uhNvWiB3QmIkmQflWMqxZkQ4+panny Ys7lQS436C/EiZPxzlIKQOgsSjUDt3hoCW9IlMmwKSe5P2aq9N+7GwObHdwZ/KyHYsDfLrcGG xcy186iTdi7x/D5O7nCwDzSuCORNIFbDBebqqE72ets08auZpXVvxosP7BTwF3r+WCVrAvsCI T8CeY6bJapXN9ArQRfSv0P1DxxGhqfssELHZrhXYY2BxOEsWlpT2R3Js5hMEYV49BjehzLVuA 2yHfEho8z3mnou287ZCVYp9PcbtO554CMwEaEjOc3/w8SgcNQ0g0wYK+6nhQDdEKUqJ4iLm/3 HbFPdCRM8SluJHIkv0tGDU9qV7acVAH4jg9ySsAd9Dvc4SfoeuqVfhXvEn7tdq/b7UAcoMDx8 zC/bdcAOp6TkMhWYN8cU6X7eVfaH/a2C0Z27rKrETyIC6tLy3QXblf8UxDQgEDjJD4b699d9s 93t5fLYY1U6nTVvTjABKhO0pDQxdH+KBUNjBG7r8duT1jpfNkugoKCaH4/j5QBhRjm4OPeGvX q1B3QxS X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: RE: LF: Stacking toroids Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lipkowski.org id v2OKbiB2001886 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10999 Another way - a bit more complicated - to reduce heating significantly is to feed DC not via the center tap of the output XFM but via separate DC chokes. This would eliminate the DC bias of the core(s). 73 Clemens DL4RAJ >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Markus Vester >Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 8:48 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: Stacking toroids > >Yes Chris, this will work. Doubling the core cross section >will halve the flux density, and reduce the per-core >dissipation by at least a factor of four. The improvement may >be more if the flux was so high that losses were dominated by >hysteresis (up to a factor of 8). > >73, Markus (DF6NM) > > >-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- >Von: Chris Wilson >An: rsgb_lf_group >Verschickt: Fr, 24. Mrz 2017 20:15 >Betreff: LF: Stacking toroids > > >Hello LF people, > >If I have a ferrite toroidal output transformer for a push >pull Class D 136kHz amp, that gets warmish after a WSPR15 >session, what would happen if I wound the same number of >primary and secondary turns on two cores stacked together, >all else remaining the same? Would it run cooler, but >retain its transformation ratio, or would other things >occur to make it not that simple? Thanks. > >-- >Best regards, >Chris 2E0ILY mailto:dead_fets@gmail.com > > > >