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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes Warren Bob told me he has a ssb net 510 520 , could be done this side , but I'm not sure all the allocations allow voice which sstv mode did you use , did you find any preferable one , 3 Khz ? or less ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c8088209f89d60dfe9ce3de85595a130 Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CDE927.DCFF2F00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40650e4990212cf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CDE927.DCFF2F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Warren=20 Bob told me he has a ssb net 510 520 , could be done this side , = but I'm not sure all the allocations allow voice =20 which sstv mode did you use , did you find any preferable one = , 3 Khz ? or less ? 73 -G,, From: Warren Ziegler=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 8:13 PM To: rsgb_lf_group=20 Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? Graham, Pete,=20 We have been running ssb here for years on 500kHz, no problems.=20 In the Fall and Winter we have a weekly ssb net on 510 kHz usb. Bob W2ZM (WE2XGR/6) has even been copied by Finbar on ssb. I have had good results with slow scan tv on 500 as far out as Ohio, = perhaps 600kM from here. 73 Warren K2ORS On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Graham wrote: Hi Pete Its quite obvious that the allocation is quite able to = support normal armature activity , and why not ? its no longer a = experimental allocation , its just the same as 10 or top band , = un expected results today though ! ssb sounds odd , may be as = the path is stable , sstv ? must be a narrow mode , and the = 'new' digital voice is 2KHz , but that requires a linear Tx = path =20 As for the band edge=20 I'm straining to find a engineering reason , that wspr and = qrss has decided to run mid band ? Im sure users had a reasonable = discussion at the introduction of the band , to place the modes = at the edges , with live cw a the lower portion ? its well know = that these long carrier modes cause disruption to other band = users and are well placed at the band edges , 'vanity beacons' = is a term I have seen noted in referral, as occupancy increases , by = users not linked or even aware of discussions taking place on = these groups , i'm sure there will be problems leading to the = introduction of band plan's , for some the plans form part of = the licence conditions .. Is Opera a vanity system ? , actually no, it compliments ros- = data mode in that the ave s/n readings can be used to determine = if a path will support the data mode , each having the same = averaging s/n reading taken along the time line ,=20 73 -G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:21 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? Hi all One SSB channel at the high edge of the band only used during daylight = hours no DXing! 73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2013, 16:13 Subject: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? Quite intriguing propagation on this 'new' band=20 From some unexpected early 600 mile + Opera decodes last = night , to several wspr TA decodes , [G8's again ..] to = today's test with Gary using USB-SSB voice ,=20 Where as at 1300z we had 5/9 signals each way as expected = over 25 miles , GI3PDN Ray , called on CW , to give a report = of 5/9 across the Irish Sea , some 100 miles for our two = signals , his CW also in the 5/9/9 region, one wonders how far = inland the signals travelled ? After a short 3 way qso, we closed the test round 1330z , = may not of been quite as sociable after dark , but with a small = Ae , 40 x 70 ft iv L and 35 ft Top load vert , 50 watts pep = , results defiantly superior to say 160 mtrs using the same = Ae's=20 73 -G G0NBD --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ=20 WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CDE927.DCFF2F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes  Warren
 
Bob  told me he  has a ssb  net  510 = 520  ,=20 could  be  done this  side , but  I'm not  = sure =20 all  the  allocations   allow  voice  =
 
which  sstv  mode  did you  use  , = did =20 you  find  any  preferable  one  , 3 Khz  = ?=20 or  less  ?
 
73 -G,,
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band = ?

Graham, Pete,=20

    We have been running ssb here for years on 500kHz, no = problems. 
In the Fall and Winter we have a weekly ssb net on 510 kHz = usb.
Bob W2ZM=20 (WE2XGR/6) has even been copied by Finbar on ssb.

I have had good results with slow scan tv on 500 as far out as = Ohio,=20 perhaps 600kM from here.

73 Warren K2ORS


On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Pete
 
Its  quite  obvious that  the  = allocation =20 is   quite  able  to  support =20 normal   armature  activity , and  why  = not  ?=20 its no  longer a experimental  allocation , its just = the =20 same  as   10  or top  band , un = expected =20 results  today though !  ssb  sounds  odd  ,=20 may  be  as  the  path is  stable = ,   sstv=20 ?  must  be a  narrow  mode  , and the =20 'new'  digital  voice  is 2KHz  , but that =20 requires  a  linear  Tx  path 
 
As  for  the  band edge
 
 I'm  straining  to  find  a =20 engineering   reason  , that  wspr  and  = qrss  has  decided to  run mid band ? Im = sure  users=20 had a  reasonable discussion  at the  = introduction  of=20 the  band , to  place the  modes  at the  = edges=20 , with  live  cw a the  lower  portion=20 ?  its well  know  that  these  = long =20 carrier  modes  cause  disruption  to  = other =20 band  users and  are  well  placed  at=20 the  band  edges  , 'vanity  beacons'  = is a=20 term I have  seen  noted  in referral, as = occupancy =20 increases , by users  not  linked or  even  = aware =20 of   discussions   taking place on these  = groups ,=20 i'm sure there  will  be  problems  = leading =20 to  the  introduction  of  band plan's  , = for =20 some  the  plans  form  part of the  = licence =20 conditions ..
 
Is Opera  a vanity  system ? , actually  no, = it =20 compliments   ros-  data  mode in that  = the  ave=20 s/n   readings  can be used to  determine  = if =20 a  path  will  support  the  data  mode = ,=20 each  having  the  same   averaging  = s/n =20 reading  taken along the  time  line  ,
 
73 -G..
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:21 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band = ?

Hi all
 
One SSB channel at the high edge of the band only used = during=20 daylight hours no DXing!

73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: = Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 2 January = 2013,=20 16:13
Subject: = LF: 477 A=20 local SSB chat band ?

Quite  intriguing  propagation  on this =20 'new'  band
 
From  some  unexpected  early  600 = mile =20 +   Opera  decodes  last  night  , = to =20 several   wspr   TA  decodes ,  = [G8's =20 again ..]     to   = today's  =20 test  with  Gary  using   USB-SSB  = voice ,=20
 
Where  as at   1300z  =  we =20 had  5/9  signals each  way  as =20 expected   over 25 miles  ,  GI3PDN  =20 Ray  , called  on CW , to   give  a  = report=20 of  5/9 across  the  Irish   Sea  , = some =20 100  miles  for  our  two  signals , = his  CW=20 also  in the  5/9/9  region, one  wonders =20 how  far  inland  the signals  travelled  = ?
 
After a  short 3  way  qso,  we closed = the =20 test  round 1330z  ,  may  not of been=20  quite  as  sociable  after  dark  , = but =20 with a  small  Ae  , 40 x 70  ft  iv = L =20 and   35  ft  Top load  vert  , = 50 =20 watts  pep  , results  defiantly   = superior =20 to  say  160  mtrs  using  the  = same =20 Ae's
 
73 -G
G0NBD
 
 
=
 




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73 Warren K2ORS
        =  =20       WD2XGJ
          =    =20   WD2XSH/23
              =  =20 WE2XEB/2
               =20 WE2XGR/1

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