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(VPS 130411-0, 11/04/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Interesting Pete I didnt get two that time. I had it happen the other day Idont know whether there is congestion (kids doing holiday projects) but I hit "send/receive" I got all the receive messages but got an error on send, and the message wasstill in outbox so I sent it again......and got two copies from the reflector. So I guess te server didnt ack the receipt the first time although it did receive the messages. That's more like BOGOHP :-)) Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.99.210 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 793eaa91b65c3a1b9794abbf9a09962e Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01CE36F2.DAD068C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.9 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e516713c51050 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01CE36F2.DAD068C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting Pete I didnt get two that time. I had it happen the other = day Idont know whether there is congestion (kids doing holiday projects) = but I hit "send/receive" I got all the receive messages but got an error = on send, and the message wasstill in outbox so I sent it again......and = got two copies from the reflector. So I guess te server didnt ack the = receipt the first time although it did receive the messages. That's more like BOGOHP :-)) Alan=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz Pat there's something up with your e-mail because it keeps sending the = same thing twice? i.e. two e-mails for the price of one. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: pat To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: M0FMT =20 Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 18:53 Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz Well, you might have been happy, Pete. I discovered that the family = cat's whiskers wouldn't work with a bit of coke and we had to go back to = a pair of baked bean cans and string! On 11/04/13 16:20, M0FMT wrote: And we all live in a hole in the road but we were happy!!.....:0) 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: pat mailto:g4gvw@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=20 Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 13:06 Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 = KHz And Wireless Set No.17 for =A32:19:6 (2Volt accumulator and HT = Battery 10/- extra) And we're all getting older! 73=20 On 11/04/13 12:18, M0FMT wrote: Hi Graham How young you are my introduction to Tottenham Court Road = (Proops?) , Lisles Street (GW Smiths), Charring Cross and The Edgeware = Road about 1956. Aaaaah those were the days. learnt a lot about Radio, = Life, the Universe and everything there...... hee! Got my R107 from Lisle Street with money save from my = apprentices pay. Carried it (abt 1 CWT) via bus to Kings Cross in the = days when the conductor would jump off the bus and give you had to get = it on board........ imagine that on a "Bendy Bus" today. See = http://www.retinascope.co.uk/lislestreet.html for the full story. OK on the stick info yes but I am CW only really can't get too = excited about sterile data although as you know I do partake = occasionally. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 11:52 Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 = 236.75 KHz=20 R Pete=20 Well , its possible to use the emergency vfo , but that = results in a very unstable signal , I remember down the Tottenham = court road , there where tea chests of crystals , but that was 1970 = .. seems a lot of the traditional firms have closed ,=20 One of the =A35 dds with a driver would work , but = they want to keep it standard=20 DS - That's really the 'correct' situation , that = -33 db decode, -3 db lower than normal was a good indication = that the system is working , over ranging the a/d is the only = problem . I think dynamic range is 60 d b after processing , is it = 3 db per bit ? 8 bits , 24 db + 3 that's 27 dB ? 500:1 ? , = but by removing qty 2 mixers and 2 oscillators , [ may be = 3 oscillators 1 , hf-up-conv 2 , pll conv osc 3 ref osc ) that = is a lot of noise + jitter removed from the signal path as well = as imd from 2 mixers , I found a attenuator helped for mw and = I have a mw-filter , which cleaned up sw bands ...... nice to = have a panoramic display , 2 mhz this time , the ra17 was 1 mhz = and 28 valves + 20 ish > in the radio =20 73-G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:47 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 = 236.75 KHz=20 OK Graham Thought it was home brew retro.......... I am in that mode = and think everbody else is! What do you do at the moment inject a Sig = Genny? Have you checked the net or checked out Vincent - QuartzLab = etc?=20 Anyway what's that master osc circuit. I build from old = RADCOM (pre 1975 when they published real amateur radio) and PW,QST = etal. I use modern xtals with no known issues. Well trying to get third = overtone for 10m not to chirp is an issue with me at the moment.=20 OK yes got a stick on its way didn't want to tear up my = existing upconverter design. But not sure there is much wrong with the = UC approach it works for me. But want to try the direct approach. Do you = get much Cross mod and IM products? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 0:47 Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 = 236.75 KHz=20 Ok Pete=20 Q where to have them made ?=20 The set , Marconi Ocean span 1950's valve tx needs = the big rock's as the oscillator pass's quite a lot of power = via them ...hc6u are no good , drive level is very low - the ones = fitted are the wired- gold flashed ones , so cannot etch into the = band ...=20 the gang want to keep it standard=20 73 -G.=20 Ps waiting for qty-3 =A36 dongles : ) From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:43 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 = 236.75 KHz=20 Hi=20 If you want to spend a small fortune get them cut. However = build a Mixer VXO from El cheapo standard xtals and or old PMR rocks. = Then at your next rally buy a couple of Screw together 10xj or FT243 = rocks of any frequency and put the El-cheapo xtals inside. And Hey = Presto you have Retro rocks. I have a small all valve 472 tx that uses 6.00 = -6.472=3D0.472 vxo-able a couple of kc/s 12ax7-6am6-6cl6=3D 4wattso/p. = Local QRP rig. Hope this helps 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 20:30 Subject: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 = 236.75 KHz=20 Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 = 236.75 KHz =20 Q Is there any manufacture of crystals in this = range ? Or Surplus items available =20 QTY 1 or 2 off =20 TNX- Graham G0NBD --=20 73 de pat g4gvw es gd dx qth nr Felixstowe East Coast UK --=20 73 de pat g4gvw es gd dx qth nr Felixstowe East Coast UK ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01CE36F2.DAD068C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Interesting Pete I didnt get two that = time. I had=20 it happen the other day Idont know whether there is congestion (kids = doing=20 holiday projects) but I hit "send/receive" I got all the receive = messages but=20 got an error on send, and the message wasstill in outbox so I sent it=20 again......and got two copies from the reflector. So I guess te server = didnt ack=20 the receipt the first time although it did receive the = messages.
That's more like BOGOHP  = :-))
Alan 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 = 7:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or = FT243=20 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

Pat there's something up with your e-mail because it keeps = sending=20 the same thing twice? i.e. two e-mails for the price of = one.
 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: = pat <g4gvw@aol.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> =
Sent: Thursday, 11 April = 2013,=20 18:53
Subject: = Re: LF:=20 Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

Well, you might have been = happy,=20 Pete. I discovered that the family cat's whiskers wouldn't work with = a bit=20 of coke and we had to go back to a pair of baked bean cans and=20 string!




On 11/04/13 16:20, M0FMT wrote:
And we all live in a hole in the road but we were=20 happy!!.....:0)

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: pat mailto:g4gvw@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Cc: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=20
Sent: = Thursday, 11=20 April 2013, 13:06
Subject: Re: LF: Wanted = 10XJ or=20 FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

And Wireless Set No.17 = for=20 =A32:19:6 (2Volt accumulator and HT Battery 10/- = extra)

And we're=20 all getting older!

73




On 11/04/13 = 12:18,=20 M0FMT wrote:
Hi Graham
 
How young you are my introduction to Tottenham = Court Road=20 (Proops?) , Lisles Street (GW Smiths), Charring Cross =  and The=20 Edgeware Road  about 1956. Aaaaah those were the days. = learnt a lot = about=20 Radio, Life, the Universe and everything there......=20 hee!
Got my R107 from Lisle Street with money save from = my=20 apprentices pay. Carried it  (abt 1 CWT) via bus to Kings = Cross=20 in the days when the conductor would jump off the bus and give = you had=20 to get it on board........ imagine that on a "Bendy Bus" = today. See http://www.retinascope.co.uk/lislestreet.html fo= r=20 the full story.
 
OK on the stick info yes but I am CW only really = can't get=20 too excited about sterile data although as you know I do = partake occasionally.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: = Thursday, 11=20 April 2013, 11:52
Subject: Re: LF: = Wanted 10XJ or=20 FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

R Pete
 
Well , its possible to  use the  = emergency =20 vfo  , but that  results  in a very =20 unstable  signal , I   remember  down = the =20 Tottenham court road , there  where  tea chests = of =20 crystals , but that  was  1970 .. seems  = a =20 lot  of the  traditional  firms have  = closed ,=20
 
One  of the  =A35  dds  with  = a=20 driver  would  work , but  they  want = to =20 keep  it  standard
 
DS -   That's really  the  = 'correct' =20 situation  ,  that  -33 db decode, = -3 db =20 lower than  normal  was  a  good =20 indication   that  the  system  is  = working=20 ,   over ranging  the  a/d  is = the  only  problem . I think  dynamic  = range=20 is  60 d b after  processing  , is = it   3=20 db per  bit  ?  8 bits  , 24  db +=20 3   that's   27 dB ?  500:1 ? =   ,=20 but   by  removing    = qty =20 2  mixers   and  2  = oscillators  =20 , [ may  be 3  oscillators  1 , = hf-up-conv  2 ,=20 pll  conv osc  3  ref osc )  that  = is=20 a  lot  of  noise + jitter  = removed  from=20 the  signal  path as well  as   = imd =20 from  2  mixers , I found  a attenuator  = helped  for  mw  and  I have  = a =20 mw-filter  , which  cleaned  up  = sw =20 bands  ......  nice to  have a  = panoramic =20 display , 2  mhz this time , the  ra17  was 1 = mhz  and   28  valves + 20 ish =  > in=20 the  radio   
 
73-G.
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:47 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS = Range 236.25=20 236.75 KHz

OK Graham
 
Thought it was home brew retro.......... I am in = that=20 mode and think everbody else is! What do you do at the = moment inject=20 a Sig Genny?
 
Have you checked the net or checked out = Vincent -=20 QuartzLab etc?
 
Anyway what's that master osc circuit. I build = from old=20 RADCOM (pre 1975 when they published real amateur radio) and = PW,QST=20 etal. I use modern xtals with no known issues. Well trying = to get=20 third overtone for 10m not to chirp is an issue with me at = the=20 moment. 
 
OK yes got a stick on its way didn't want to tear = up my=20 existing upconverter design. But not sure there is much = wrong with=20 the UC approach it works for me. But want to try the direct=20 approach. Do you get much Cross mod and IM=20 products?

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: = Thursday,=20 11 April 2013, 0:47
Subject: Re: LF: = Wanted 10XJ=20 or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

Ok Pete
 
Q where to  have  them  made  ? =
 
The  set  , Marconi  Ocean span = 1950's =20 valve  tx   needs  the  big  = rock's  as the  oscillator  = pass's  =20 quite a  lot  of  power  via them=20 ...hc6u  are  no  good  , drive level = is very=20 low - the ones fitted  are the wired- gold  = flashed  ones  , so  cannot  = etch  into=20 the  band ...
 
the  gang  want  to  keep  = it =20 standard
 
73 -G.
 
Ps  waiting  for  qty-3  = =A36  =20 dongles : )

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:43 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS = Range=20 236.25 236.75 KHz

Hi
 
If you want to spend a small fortune get them = cut.=20 However build a Mixer VXO from El cheapo standard xtals = and or old=20 PMR rocks. Then at your next rally buy a couple of Screw = together=20 10xj or FT243 rocks of any frequency and put the El-cheapo = xtals=20 inside. And Hey Presto you have Retro rocks.
I have a small all valve 472 tx that uses 6.00=20 -6.472=3D0.472 vxo-able a couple of kc/s = 12ax7-6am6-6cl6=3D 4wattso/p.=20 Local QRP rig.
Hope this helps
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 20:30
Subject: LF: = Wanted 10XJ or=20 FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz

Wanted  10XJ  or  FT243 =20 XTALS   Range   = 236.25   =20 236.75  KHz   
 
Q  Is there  any  manufacture =20 of   crystals  in this  range  = ?
 
Or  Surplus    = items  =20 available 
 
QTY 1  or  2  off 
 
TNX- Graham
 
=
G0NBD


=




<= BR>
--=20
73 de pat g4gvw
es gd dx
qth nr Felixstowe
East Coast =
UK




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es gd dx
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