Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1169; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE,WEIRD_QUOTING autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t0PLUjH9016885 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:30:45 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1YFUf6-00063W-5u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 21:24:04 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1YFUf5-00063N-MZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 21:24:03 +0000 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1YFUf3-0002DX-SD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 21:24:02 +0000 Received: from AGB ([95.145.225.53]) by mwinf5d14 with ME id kMQ01p00E19l4EP03MQ0Qy; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:24:01 +0100 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:24:01 +0100 X-ME-IP: 95.145.225.53 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <636B57212DC44172B6DE9C87414A318F@AGB> <54C54C24.2030906@freenet.de> <9CB91DD3D8484B3AB8C0FB909E9635E4@AGB> <54C557EB.6060509@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <54C557EB.6060509@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 21:24:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Scan-Signature: fa743f59d022704fe4104ed922c6083c Subject: Re: LF: Just like the 10 Bus , nothing for years , then 477 UK>VK :) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0105_01D038E5.3C5C90F0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2154 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01D038E5.3C5C90F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The unknown .. The stand alone Opera APP is responsible for the off air = detection , the web linking distributes the spots to other = users and the psk-map =20 With the introduction of the dynamic option , web data is used = to populate the search lists from Tx beacons and x 2 same call = decodes the detection/decode time stamps , originated by the = Tx/Rx stations , which all ways existed , are now being utilised = to test for time windows=20 Worst case are loan wolf Tx and Rx , then its down to time = alone to validate the deep-search , =20 opera normal is a data Tx so extracts the call from the Tx , = false decodes have real call formats with random values , = false detections have real calls but random time stamps ,=20 eg vo1na > ku4xr last night , from the data base 1 spot can be = seen to be false , others are validated by UK decodes , the = later G8HUH spots would need access to the TX end times to = evaluate , qsb bringing opera into range at times , handy as = a time stamp for no web linked Tx stations =20 73-G,=20 From: wolf_dl4yhf=20 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 8:54 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Just like the 10 Bus , nothing for years , then 477 = UK>VK :) Hi Graham, Thanks for clarification. Am 25.01.2015 21:41, schrieb Graham: Well Wolf , there is a good paper trail in the system for this = one .. =20 The system history shows , GM4 and VK spots are time stamped = less than 8 seconds difference, so validated the spot=20 also VK shows no decodes or detections in the previous 24 Hours = or since , opera has a very low false detection level =20 Ok, I would be convinced if Opera didn't exchange so much information = about who actually transmits, and where, and when, over the internet.. I = wouldn't say it's impossible to that this """decode""" is real, but I = wouldn't call these """decodes""" from this "closed source black box = named Opera" too reliable. "Just because the computer says something doesn't mean we should take it = for granted". Cheers,=20 Wolf . ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01D038E5.3C5C90F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The unknown ..
 
The  stand alone  Opera  APP  is  =20 responsible   for the  off  air  = detection =20 ,  the  web linking   distributes  the =20 spots  to  other  users  and  the  = psk-map =20
 
With the  introduction  of the  dynamic  option = , =20 web data  is  used  to  populate  the =20 search  lists  from Tx beacons  and   x = 2  =20 same call  decodes  the  detection/decode  = time  stamps=20 ,  originated  by  the   Tx/Rx  = stations ,=20 which  all ways   existed , are now  being =20 utilised  to  test  for  time  = windows 
 
Worst  case  are  loan wolf  Tx  and  = Rx  , then its  down to   time  alone to =20 validate  the  deep-search  ,  
 opera  normal  is a  data  Tx  = so =20 extracts  the  call  from the  Tx  ,  = false =20 decodes    have  real  call  formats  = with =20 random  values  , false  detections  have  real = calls  but  random   time  stamps  , =
 
eg  vo1na  > ku4xr last night ,  from the =20 data  base 1 spot  can be  seen  to  be  = false=20 ,  others  are  validated  by  UK  =20 decodes  , the  later  G8HUH   spots  = would =20 need  access  to the  TX end  times  to  = evaluate=20 ,  qsb  bringing  opera  into  range  = at =20 times  ,  handy  as  a time  stamp  = for =20 no  web linked  Tx stations 
 
73-G,
 
 
 

From: wolf_dl4yhf
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 8:54 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Just like the 10 Bus , nothing for years , = then 477=20 UK>VK :)

Hi Graham,

Thanks for = clarification.

Am=20 25.01.2015 21:41, schrieb Graham:
Well  Wolf ,  there  is a good  paper = trail  in=20 the  system  for  this  one ..  
 
The  system  history  shows  ,  GM4 and =  VK=20 spots are  time  stamped   less than 8 = seconds=20 difference, so  validated  the  spot
also  VK shows  no decodes  or  = detections =20 in the  previous  24 Hours  or  since , opera has = a =20 very low  false  detection  level  =20
Ok, I would be convinced if Opera didn't = exchange so=20 much information about who actually transmits, and where, and when, over = the=20 internet.. I wouldn't say it's impossible to that this """decode""" is = real, but=20 I wouldn't call these  """decodes""" from this "closed source black = box=20 named Opera" too reliable.

"Just because the computer says = something=20 doesn't mean we should take it for granted".




Cheers,=20
  Wolf .

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