Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (rly-ma01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.44]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILINMA053-88d49b3d821c1; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:37:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA017-88d49b3d821c1; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:37:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LgK7I-0005nU-Sl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:36:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LgK7I-0005nL-4E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:36:36 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LgK7G-00036T-O3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:36:36 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3428.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 76BFC1C00083 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:36:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.31.236]) by mwinf3428.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 734571C00082 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:36:17 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20090308143617472.734571C00082@mwinf3428.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <0566EF6DE20B4249A3E74859BF9BA2C6@AGB> <9C03FBF153AB478A9B0DBC5580CF20D2@AGB> <28FA0F184B25444F8BA2F1EC5FC42C04@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:36:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: AW: 503.7 Multi-function beacon ... Its working ! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C99FFB.3D1258B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C99FFB.3D1258B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Grerhard, Andy's post about the new beacon came out of the blue, (as is the signal h= ihi), Working on this, I've simply added a page to the uk500khz news group= and posted links about to generate some interest and make sure the beacon=20= details are known to hams and swl's out side this reflector ..=20 The only thing that occurs to me is that there is a possibility for recepti= on reports to be directed to the 5 meg group , I note that the graph gener= ator by G4IRX requests your call and locator before processing the file an= d presenting you with a plot. so I will see if anything can be done to prev= ent this , the data format is of course distorted by having only one active=20= beacon.. so it will show up .. but may as yet be unexpected ...! I note from previous email that the pulse aspect of the beacon is required=20= for precise measurements, I think that may be possible to set up a 'experime= nt' but the aspect of interference to other users may be significant, Andy= has referred to the concept of 'phase reversal' in a continues carrier syst= em (or medium pulse ?) that would perhaps be a acceptable mode of modulation= , weather it could be transmitted by a 'normal' transmitter im note sure , b= ut its worth noting that activities on 500, to date are not 'funded' as suc= h and time and capital out lay are part of the 'hobby' and such hardware req= uirements and software re-writes are beyond many of the active stations. bu= t perhaps as interest spreads .. things may change ..?=20 Tnx-=20 Graham G0NBD IO83LK From: Beckmann, Gerhard=20 Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:06 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: 'Robert Hemesley'=20 Subject: LF: AW: 503.7 Multi-function beacon ... Its working ! Hello Graham, Hello Andy,=20 =20 reading about your activities concerning Multi-function beacon I tried yeste= rday evening to catch your signals, but unfortunately with no results copyin= g your sig. May be condx were not good enough. Moreover I had some bad manm= ade QRM from TV and PC. =20 As Rob Hemesley told you I am active in 5-MHz-beaco- monitoring specia= lly concerning scattergram monitoring in order to analyse signal path situa= tion (direct wave / sky wave behaviour). But I am running both analysis software, GB3RAL.exe and Scattergram.ex= e and it would not be any problem to modify the internal PC-clock specially=20= regarding GB3RAL.exe in order to analyse the long term signal level of your=20= Multi-function beacon. So I will try to continue monitoring your Multi-funct= ion beacon hopefully that condx will be better in the next evening sessions=20= (hi). If there will be Scattergram acties in future I certainly need some mo= re dB signal level, but it would be very interesting to investigate the sign= al path situation. Of course, this is more interesting for those participants who are loc= ated in a distance range between 150 and 300 km in order to monitor the slid= e crossover from direct wave to sky wave signal path.=20 However, thank you very much for implementation of your very interest= ing Multi-function beacon project and I will keep on running my monitoring a= ctivities and will inform you in any case about further results. =20 vy 73 and a lot of success by running Multi-function beacons, I will be "on=20= the qui vive" !!! =20 de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN) =20 By the way:=20 Dial frequency 505.2 kHz, is that o.k.? (because GB3RAL.exe is decoding with= 1500 Hz too). For BPSK31-decoding I am using DigiPan Vers.2.0 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 =20 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham Gesendet: Samstag, 7. M=E4rz 2009 23:46 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: 503.7 Multi-function beacon ... Its working ! =20 So far so good .. quite a step up in signal round 2100 hrs =20 no frequency decode before then , 15 db over noise at 2130 =20 but a trend showing=20 about 1 hour slow qsb=20 =20 any other reports ? =20 G ..=20 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: 03/06/09 19= :17:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C99FFB.3D1258B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Grerhard,
 
Andy's post about the  new beacon came= out of=20 the  blue, (as is the signal hihi), Working on this,  I've simply=20 added a page to the  uk500khz news group and posted links about to = ;=20 generate some interest and make sure the beacon details are known=20= to=20 hams and swl's out side this reflector ..
 
The only thing that occurs to  me is t= hat=20 there is a possibility for reception reports to be  directed to the 5 m= eg=20 group , I note that the  graph generator by G4IRX  requests your c= all=20 and locator  before processing the file and presenting you with a plot.= so=20 I will see if anything can be done to  prevent this , the data format i= s of=20 course distorted by having only one active beacon.. so it will show up ... b= ut=20 may as yet be unexpected ...!
 
I note from previous email that the pulse a= spect of=20 the  beacon is required for precise measurements, I think that may be=20 possible to set up a 'experiment'  but the aspect of interference to&nb= sp;=20 other users may be significant, Andy has referred to the concept of 'phase=20 reversal' in a continues carrier system (or medium pulse ?) that would perha= ps=20 be a acceptable mode of modulation, weather it could be transmitted by a=20 'normal' transmitter im note sure , but its worth noting that activities on=20= 500,=20 to date  are not 'funded' as such and time and capital out lay are part= of=20 the 'hobby' and such hardware requirements  and software re-writes are=20 beyond many of the active stations. but perhaps as interest spreads .. thing= s=20 may change ..?
 
Tnx-
 
Graham
 
G0NBD
IO83LK
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:06 AM
Cc: 'Robert Hemesley'
Subject: LF: AW: 503.7 Multi-function beacon ... Its working=20 !

Hello Graham, Hello Andy,=20

 

reading about your=20 activities concerning Multi-function beacon I tried yesterday evening to cat= ch=20 your signals, but unfortunately with no results copying your sig. May be con= dx=20 were not good enough.  Moreover I had some bad manmade QRM from TV and=20 PC.

 

      As=20= Rob Hemesley told you I am active=20 in 5-MHz-beaco- monitoring specially concerning  scattergram monitoring= in=20 order to analyse signal path situation (direct wave / sky wave=20 behaviour).

      But= I am running both analysis=20 software, GB3RAL.exe and Scattergram.exe and it would not be any problem to=20 modify the internal PC-clock specially regarding GB3RAL.exe in order to anal= yse=20 the long term signal level of your Multi-function beacon. So I will try to=20 continue monitoring your Multi-function beacon hopefully that condx will be=20 better in the next evening sessions (hi).

      If=20= there will be Scattergram acties in=20 future I certainly need some more dB signal level, but it would be very=20 interesting to investigate the signal path=20 situation.

      Of=20= course, this is more interesting=20 for those participants who are located in a distance range between 150 and 3= 00=20 km in order to monitor the slide crossover from direct wave to sky wave sign= al=20 path.

  =20     However, thank you very much for implementation of y= our=20 very interesting Multi-function beacon project and I will keep on running my= =20 monitoring activities and will inform you in any case about further=20 results.

 

vy 73 and a lot of=20 success by running Multi-function beacons, I will be =93on the qui vive=94=20 !!!

 

de Gerhard  / =20 DK6NI  (JN59LN)

 

By the way:=20

Dial frequency 505.2 kHz,=20 is that o.k.? (because GB3RAL.exe is decoding with 1500 Hz=20 too).

For BPSK31-decoding I am=20 using DigiPan Vers.2.0

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

 

 =

Von:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von = Graham
Gesendet: Sa= mstag, 7. M=E4rz 2009=20 23:46
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: 503.7 Multi-function beac= on=20 .... Its working !

 

So far so good .. quite a step up in=20 signal round 2100 hrs 

no frequency decode before then , 15=20 db over noise at 2130

 

but a trend showing=20

about  1 hour slow qsb=20

 

any other reports=20 ?

 

G ..=20

 


No virus found in this incoming message.
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