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Subject: Re: LF: AW: 503.7 Multi-function beacon ... Its working !
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Hi, Grerhard,
Andy's post about the new beacon came out of the blue, (as is the signal h=
ihi), Working on this, I've simply added a page to the uk500khz news group=
and posted links about to generate some interest and make sure the beacon=20=
details are known to hams and swl's out side this reflector ..=20
The only thing that occurs to me is that there is a possibility for recepti=
on reports to be directed to the 5 meg group , I note that the graph gener=
ator by G4IRX requests your call and locator before processing the file an=
d presenting you with a plot. so I will see if anything can be done to prev=
ent this , the data format is of course distorted by having only one active=20=
beacon.. so it will show up .. but may as yet be unexpected ...!
I note from previous email that the pulse aspect of the beacon is required=20=
for precise measurements, I think that may be possible to set up a 'experime=
nt' but the aspect of interference to other users may be significant, Andy=
has referred to the concept of 'phase reversal' in a continues carrier syst=
em (or medium pulse ?) that would perhaps be a acceptable mode of modulation=
, weather it could be transmitted by a 'normal' transmitter im note sure , b=
ut its worth noting that activities on 500, to date are not 'funded' as suc=
h and time and capital out lay are part of the 'hobby' and such hardware req=
uirements and software re-writes are beyond many of the active stations. bu=
t perhaps as interest spreads .. things may change ..?=20
Tnx-=20
Graham
G0NBD
IO83LK
From: Beckmann, Gerhard=20
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:06 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Cc: 'Robert Hemesley'=20
Subject: LF: AW: 503.7 Multi-function beacon ... Its working !
Hello Graham, Hello Andy,=20
=20
reading about your activities concerning Multi-function beacon I tried yeste=
rday evening to catch your signals, but unfortunately with no results copyin=
g your sig. May be condx were not good enough. Moreover I had some bad manm=
ade QRM from TV and PC.
=20
As Rob Hemesley told you I am active in 5-MHz-beaco- monitoring specia=
lly concerning scattergram monitoring in order to analyse signal path situa=
tion (direct wave / sky wave behaviour).
But I am running both analysis software, GB3RAL.exe and Scattergram.ex=
e and it would not be any problem to modify the internal PC-clock specially=20=
regarding GB3RAL.exe in order to analyse the long term signal level of your=20=
Multi-function beacon. So I will try to continue monitoring your Multi-funct=
ion beacon hopefully that condx will be better in the next evening sessions=20=
(hi).
If there will be Scattergram acties in future I certainly need some mo=
re dB signal level, but it would be very interesting to investigate the sign=
al path situation.
Of course, this is more interesting for those participants who are loc=
ated in a distance range between 150 and 300 km in order to monitor the slid=
e crossover from direct wave to sky wave signal path.=20
However, thank you very much for implementation of your very interest=
ing Multi-function beacon project and I will keep on running my monitoring a=
ctivities and will inform you in any case about further results.
=20
vy 73 and a lot of success by running Multi-function beacons, I will be "on=20=
the qui vive" !!!
=20
de Gerhard / DK6NI (JN59LN)
=20
By the way:=20
Dial frequency 505.2 kHz, is that o.k.? (because GB3RAL.exe is decoding with=
1500 Hz too).
For BPSK31-decoding I am using DigiPan Vers.2.0
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Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham
Gesendet: Samstag, 7. M=E4rz 2009 23:46
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: 503.7 Multi-function beacon ... Its working !
=20
So far so good .. quite a step up in signal round 2100 hrs =20
no frequency decode before then , 15 db over noise at 2130
=20
but a trend showing=20
about 1 hour slow qsb=20
=20
any other reports ?
=20
G ..=20
=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Hi, Grerhard,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Andy's post about the new beacon came=
out of=20
the blue, (as is the signal hihi), Working on this, I've simply=20
added a page to the uk500khz news group and posted links about to =
;=20
generate some interest and make sure the beacon details are known=20=
to=20
hams and swl's out side this reflector .. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>The only thing that occurs to me is t=
hat=20
there is a possibility for reception reports to be directed to the 5 m=
eg=20
group , I note that the graph generator by G4IRX requests your c=
all=20
and locator before processing the file and presenting you with a plot.=
so=20
I will see if anything can be done to prevent this , the data format i=
s of=20
course distorted by having only one active beacon.. so it will show up ... b=
ut=20
may as yet be unexpected ...!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I note from previous email that the pulse a=
spect of=20
the beacon is required for precise measurements, I think that may be=20
possible to set up a 'experiment' but the aspect of interference to&nb=
sp;=20
other users may be significant, Andy has referred to the concept of 'phase=20
reversal' in a continues carrier system (or medium pulse ?) that would perha=
ps=20
be a acceptable mode of modulation, weather it could be transmitted by a=20
'normal' transmitter im note sure , but its worth noting that activities on=20=
500,=20
to date are not 'funded' as such and time and capital out lay are part=
of=20
the 'hobby' and such hardware requirements and software re-writes are=20
beyond many of the active stations. but perhaps as interest spreads .. thing=
s=20
may change ..? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Tnx- </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Graham</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>G0NBD</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>IO83LK</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=3D"mailto:beckmann.=
erlangen@freenet.de CTRL + Click to follow link" href=3D"mailto:beckma=
nn.erlangen@freenet.de">Beckmann, Gerhard</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:06 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CTRL +=
Click to follow link" href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_l=
f_group@blacksheep.org</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3D"mailto:rob@netronic.co.uk CTRL + Click to=20=
follow link" href=3D"mailto:rob@netronic.co.uk">'Robert Hemesley'</A> </DI=
V>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: AW: 503.7 Multi-function beacon ... Its working=20
!</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB>Hello Graham, Hello Andy,=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P=
>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB>reading about your=20
activities concerning Multi-function beacon I tried yesterday evening to cat=
ch=20
your signals, but unfortunately with no results copying your sig. May be con=
dx=20
were not good enough. Moreover I had some bad manmade QRM from TV and=20
PC.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P=
>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB> As=20=
Rob Hemesley told you I am active=20
in 5-MHz-beaco- monitoring specially concerning scattergram monitoring=
in=20
order to analyse signal path situation (direct wave / sky wave=20
behaviour).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB> But=
I am running both analysis=20
software, GB3RAL.exe and Scattergram.exe and it would not be any problem to=20
modify the internal PC-clock specially regarding GB3RAL.exe in order to anal=
yse=20
the long term signal level of your Multi-function beacon. So I will try to=20
continue monitoring your Multi-function beacon hopefully that condx will be=20
better in the next evening sessions (hi).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB> If=20=
there will be Scattergram acties in=20
future I certainly need some more dB signal level, but it would be very=20
interesting to investigate the signal path=20
situation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB> Of=20=
course, this is more interesting=20
for those participants who are located in a distance range between 150 and 3=
00=20
km in order to monitor the slide crossover from direct wave to sky wave sign=
al=20
path. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB> =20
However, thank you very much for implementation of y=
our=20
very interesting Multi-function beacon project and I will keep on running my=
=20
monitoring activities and will inform you in any case about further=20
results.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P=
>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB>vy 73 and a lot of=20
success by running Multi-function beacons, I will be =93on the qui vive=94=20
!!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB>de Gerhard / =20
DK6NI (JN59LN)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
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>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB>By the way:=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB>Dial frequency 505.2 kHz,=20
is that o.k.? (because GB3RAL.exe is decoding with 1500 Hz=20
too).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3DEN-GB>For BPSK31-decoding I am=20
using DigiPan Vers.2.0<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
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owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonNa=
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[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st=
1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im Auftrag von </SPAN>=
</B>Graham<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</SPAN></B> Sa=
mstag, 7. M=E4rz 2009=20
23:46<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName=
w:st=3D"on">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN s=
tyle=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B> LF: 503.7 Multi-function beac=
on=20
.... Its working !</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So far so good .. quite a step up in=20
signal round 2100 hrs </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">no frequency decode before then , 15=20
db over noise at 2130</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">but a trend showing=20
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">about 1 hour slow qsb=20
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">any other reports=20
?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">G ..=20
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMI=
LY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P></P><BR>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG -=20
www.avg.com <BR>Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release D=
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