Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dl07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dl07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.74.213]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD044-86ac4d39f3d129e; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:00:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9922138000A83; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PgO4Z-00079g-Cv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:59:07 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PgO4Y-00079X-SA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:59:06 +0000 Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PgO4X-0000NH-6H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:59:06 +0000 Received: from [77.238.189.231] by nm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 20:58:59 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.120] by tm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 20:58:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 20:58:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 207960.41993.bm@omp1029.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 96688 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2011 20:58:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=rkSLbEhKZfPyeFjbG9M8kf2msCnuFVBtlQSjbLEvfZgKPMr/5PW0WIeJxJ2pMdQYbuZTMAE3L2TPQl6eGGyGGHURMk7OtxduCdlnApEfxAoAp1rYnDChD1ZXgrpAy1Xus05TOj3ZK6XBO2mmzAw7Nb0qw5NBMN/91bWMbpu7LsE= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1295643539; bh=MYKxsljFV/hs9GPPgvUG4hSJfrRB6P4UZMnivq4YGgY=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=W+9eV11XMjzQchxWPJN+I4AFBAlsVTpCI8pn6gRF5FgvXkAmDvJ9kjgihHqC8uHQqlo0Ww9e5z2OIEtoxRUf1BIZwLIVFuv7Vcc7AVWk+BYOmys8SM94iR9jQ+cdPVQGMxaPlc1/HqVFQfH9gWqdDARH0xPTLQdALdq2T6VHxmI= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.174.73.59 with login) by smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2011 20:58:55 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: toGc_uAVM1l0OrCFagTm7MYITAp4nhc40LgHIdmQgE4yzzA hAzyblezQKWeUzFHgKzwodL2N7kAPDaceK0FdSMILBRXQn6cgjqUDFDHce.5 _jTmp32SHTkak37hh_mDMGhJBJgH4btEmK2Mbkf4D93_pUPZWF7HrpOUOgfp pTFYLTRezmiqlUN7yVqJpUsTfq38uO5CY7LOuwuDVcCM3i_Wy9xflP.Fugkb QN_d9p7br5o4BFbKrws8CgYIQLaIXw61Veo3y X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <004a01cbb99f$182a38f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <004a01cbb99f$182a38f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:59:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18483 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Alpha benchmark Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m285.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad54d39f3cd78a7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Dear Mal, LF Group, What you suggest might be useful as a benchmark for Alpha beacon reception, but not so helpful for 9kHz reception. The problem is that the relative noise level often varies a great deal between 9kHz and 11.9kHz, so you could have good Alpha reception and poor 9kHz reception, or vice versa. Where Alpha beacon reception tests could be useful is for assesing receiver frequency stability - remembering that accuracy and stability of the order of milli-hertz or better is *essential* for 8.97kHz amateur tests. Monitoring the Alphas using spectrogram settings for DFCW-600 or slower over a period of at least several hours or preferably days is a simple way of assesing receiver drift at these levels. You can see examples at DF6NM's and DK7FC's VLF grabber pages. For assesing receive system sensitivity, and local noise levels, you really have to do it at 8.97kHz directly. A quick check is to generate a spectrogram using QRSS3 settings - the display should be dominated by QRN, which should totally mask any receiver noise. Usually there will also be at least a few spectral lines from man-made sources present, especially harmonics of 50Hz, but many others can be present too. At my QTH, levels of this man-made noise vary greatly from one day to the next, as does the QRN. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU