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Content preview: I agree with Alan, Tag and Jay - I looked at my log and thru paper work and nothing there says otherwise - well done Paul and Chris It was great to see LDO CT1DRP AGC DF6NM etc on the screen from KL7 on 137 and from other places around the globe way back when, [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (hellozerohellozero[at]hotmail.com) 0.1 URIBL_SBL_A Contains URL's A record listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: n1bug.com] 0.6 URIBL_SBL Contains an URL's NS IP listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: n1bug.com] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 61bef6b4a633d435cac5ff7820137883 Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CY4PR11MB1927D71DDC6E636451522A33CFA00CY4PR11MB1927namp_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --_000_CY4PR11MB1927D71DDC6E636451522A33CFA00CY4PR11MB1927namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Alan, Tag and Jay - I looked at my log and thru paper work a= nd nothing there says otherwise - well done Paul and Chris It was great to see LDO CT1DRP AGC DF6NM etc on the screen from KL7 on 137 = and from other places around the globe way back when, This is part of my transmission log from XDW back in 2005 when in Oklahoma = and prior to BY3A ops in Shanghai http://kl7l.com/xdw2.doc Laurence KL7L KL1X KL7UK WE2XPQ GM4DMA/KL7 AL1V WD2XDW etc! ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org on behalf of jrusgrove@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:29 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Alan, Paul, Markus and LF enthusiasts A bit of history from this side of the pond ... to the best of my recollect= ion. Beginning in 2003, 137 kHz Part 5 licences were issued to individual statio= ns ... WD2XDW (KL7L), WD2XGJ (K2ORS), WD2XES (W1TAG), WD2XNS (W1VD), WD2XKO= (W4DEX), etc. Some of these applications included specific wording (thanks= to Warren's iniative) that contacts could be made with other Part 5 and li= censed amateur stations. In 2007 Warren applied for a 500 kHz Part 5 license that included himself, = Bill Ashlock, W1TAG and W1VD under the WE2XGR/x callsign. Again the applica= tion included specific wording about contacts with other Part 5 and license= d amateur stations. Other stations were later added to this license. Even though some on the U.S. side had the ability to contact foreign licens= ed amateurs there was concern on the EU side whether their licenses allowed= such contacts. Based on grabber spectrograms from both sides of the pond, = signal levels were certainly strong enough to allow QRSS or other digital m= ode QSO's on many nights between many of the band's participants. To the be= st of my knowledge, and John W1TAG's, there never was a two way 137 kHz QSO= between the US and EU. Yes there were EU / VE contacts. Yes there were EU = / US crossband contacts. I would agree with Alan and Markus, that unless there is evdence to the con= trary, that Paul and Chris can claim first US < > EU QSO on 137 kHz. Congra= tulations Paul and Chris! Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 p.s. As a side note ... on 500 kHz there were contacts between WE2XGR/2 (W1= VD), WE2XGR/6 (W2ZM) and GI4DPE and others. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Melia > Reply-To: > To: > Sent: 3/31/2018 1:06:49 PM Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO ________________________________ Paul and Markus, I was triggered to do a little searching today. (BTW I did= NOT say there HAD been US<>EU 2-way QSOs with Warren K2ORS's Part 5 licenc= ees, I just indicated I thought it unlikely there had not) I have to say that I cannot find any evidence so far, despite WD2XES John's= station logs showing him copied extensively in EU over many years, there i= s no 2-way QSO. I know the change to digital modes on a local BC station ma= de reception almost impossible for him. By the time these Part 5 licences w= ere issued many of the UK late-night LF addicts (G3YXM, G0MRF, G3LDO, and G= 3AQC to mention a few) had left the band, and a QSO at QRSS60 meant a sleep= less night !. QRSS3 was possible on favourable nights but best times were o= ften just about an hour before dawn in UK. Jay W1VD (who has better recetio= n to the East than John) being currently active does not indicate his knowl= edge of such an event. That being the case I would be inclined to reinstate your claim Paul and Ch= ris, against evidence to the contrary being put forward. Again Congratulati= ons on your efforts. I remember being told that we would not get out of our= back gardens on LF with a 1 watt ERP limit !! It is not easy but that is w= hat makes the effort worthwhile. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 4:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Hi Paul, though I am aware that Canadian amateurs (VA3LK sk, VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA) hav= e conducted successful 2-way QSO's with Europeans, I somehow don't remember= having read about previous contacts involving U.S. stations. Could someone= share information who did it, and when? 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: N1BUG An: rsgb_lf_group ; rsgb_lf_group ; Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and M= edFer bands Verschickt: Do, 29. Mrz 2018 20:29 Betreff: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO It has been brought to my attention that there were two way contacts between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps other Europe) some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 licenses were authorized to make two way contacts with amateur radio stations. Much of what happened during those days does not seem to be well documented or widely known. Therefore, with apologies to all concerned, I retract my statement that this was the first USA to UK or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It was not my intent to take anything away from the accomplishments of those who paved the way for amateur occupancy of these bands. Unless someone comes forward with information to the contrary I still believe it to be the first amateur to amateur USA to UK and USA to Europe QSO. At the time of my original post I was thinking, but failed to state, "amateur radio QSO". In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 37 years in amateur radio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his considerable effort and sacrifice which made it possible. 73, Paul N1BUG --_000_CY4PR11MB1927D71DDC6E636451522A33CFA00CY4PR11MB1927namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree with Alan, Tag and Jay&nb= sp; -  I looked at my log and thru paper work and nothing there says o= therwise - well done Paul and Chris


It was great to see LDO CT1DRP AG= C DF6NM etc on the screen from KL7 on 137 and from other places around the = globe way back when,


This is part of my transmission l= og from XDW back in 2005 when in Oklahoma and prior to BY3A ops in Shanghai=


http:/= /kl7l.com/xdw2.doc


Laurence KL7L  KL1X  KL= 7UK  WE2XPQ GM4DMA/KL7 AL1V WD2XDW etc!



From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> on behalf of jrusg= rove@comcast.net <jrusgrove@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:29 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO
 
Alan, Paul, Markus and LF enthusiasts
 
A bit of history from this side of the pond ... to the best of my reco= llection. 
 
Beginning in 2003, 137 kHz Part 5 licences were issued to in= dividual stations ... WD2XDW (KL7L), WD2XGJ (K2ORS), WD2XES (W1TAG), WD2XNS= (W1VD), WD2XKO (W4DEX), etc. Some of these applications included spec= ific wording (thanks to Warren's iniative) that contacts could be made with other Part 5 and licensed amateur stations.
 
In 2007 Warren applied for a 500 kHz Part 5 license that inc= luded himself, Bill Ashlock, W1TAG and W1VD under the WE2XGR= /x callsign. Again the application included specific wording abou= t contacts with other Part 5 and licensed amateur stations. Other stations were later added to this license.
 
Even though some on the U.S. side had the ability to contact fore= ign licensed amateurs there was concern on the EU side whether their l= icenses allowed such contacts. Based on grabber spectrograms from both= sides of the pond, signal levels were certainly strong enough to allow QRSS or other digital mode QSO's on many nights bet= ween many of the band's participants. To the best of my knowledge, and= John W1TAG's, there never was a two way 137 kHz QSO between the US and EU.= Yes there were EU / VE contacts. Yes there were EU / US crossband contacts.
 
I would agree with Alan and Markus, that unless there is evdence = to the contrary, that Paul and Chris can claim first US < > EU Q= SO on 137 kHz. Congratulations Paul and Chris!
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
 
 
p.s. As a side note ... on 500 kHz there were contacts betwe= en WE2XGR/2 (W1VD), WE2XGR/6 (W2ZM)  and GI4DPE and others.  = ; 
 
     
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com= >
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 3/31/2018 1:06:49 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO
Paul and Markus, I was triggered to do= a little searching today. (BTW I did NOT say there HAD been US<>= ;EU 2-way QSOs with Warren K2ORS's Part 5 licencees, I just indicated I tho= ught it unlikely there had not)
 
I have to say that I cannot find any e= vidence so far, despite WD2XES John's station logs showing him copied = extensively in EU over many years, there is no 2-way QSO. I know the change= to digital modes on a local BC station made reception almost impossible for him. By the time these Part 5 licences wer= e issued many of the UK late-night LF addicts (G3YXM, G0MRF, G3LDO, an= d G3AQC to mention a few) had left the band, and a QSO at QRSS60 meant a sl= eepless night !. QRSS3 was possible on favourable nights but best times were often just about an hour before dawn= in UK. Jay W1VD (who has better recetion to the East than John) being curr= ently active does not indicate his knowledge of such an event.
 
That being the case I would be incline= d to reinstate your claim Paul and Chris, against evidence to the contrary = being put forward. Again Congratulations on your efforts. I remember b= eing told that we would not get out of our back gardens on LF with a 1 watt ERP limit !! It is not easy but that= is what makes the effort worthwhile.
 
Best Wishes
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 4:22 P= M
Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding= 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

Hi Paul,

though I am aware that Canadian amateurs (VA3LK sk, VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA) hav= e conducted successful 2-way QSO's with Europeans, I somehow don'= t remember having read about previous contacts involving&nbs= p;U.S. stations. Could someone share information who did it, and = when? 

73, Markus (DF6NM)

-----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: N1BUG <paul@n1bug.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; rsgb_lf_group <r= sgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk>; Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European,= & UK) and MedFer bands <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Verschickt: Do, 29. Mrz 2018 20:29
Betreff: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

It has been brought to my attention that there were two way contacts
between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps other Europe)
some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 licenses were
authorized to make two way contacts with amateur radio stations.
Much of what happened during those days does not seem to be well
documented or widely known.

Therefore, with apologies to all concerned, I retract my statement
that this was the first USA to UK or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It
was not my intent to take anything away from the accomplishments of
those who paved the way for amateur occupancy of these bands.

Unless someone comes forward with information to the contrary I
still believe it to be the first amateur to amateur USA to UK and
USA to Europe QSO. At the time of my original post I was thinking,
but failed to state, "amateur radio QSO".

In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 37 years in amateur
radio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his considerable
effort and sacrifice which made it possible.

73,
Paul N1BUG

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