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From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:03 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Turbine magnets Am I alone in liking wind turbines? Travelling in France recently I've = seen many of these graceful structures.=20 What are the rules for installing smaller ones on homes to help power = ham gear? BTW back home tomorrow so should be testing on 137kHz next week.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my iPod Touch 4g -- On 23 Sep 2011, at 09:42, "Chris" wrote: Hi all, Off topic I know, but whatever about magnetic effects, I agree with = Mal when it comes to the appearance of these things. They are gradually = ruining the best countryside in the UK. Mind you, the national grid = pylons are not much better, would have been well worth the extra cost to = bury the cables in my opinion. These turbines are relatively inefficient = when you take evrything into account. It's the government trying to meet = some ludicrous target re 'green' electricity generation. The sooner the = hype dies down and we go back to nuclear power the better I say. Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, UK. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hugh M0WYE=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:07 PM Subject: LF: Re: Turbine magnets Seems unlikely that the magnetism would reach that far to me - the = magnetic field would be no different to any other large generating set - = they are just an ordinary alternator driven through a gearbox. If they did affect magnetic compasses you would have thought that = the place you would really notice it would be around the coast, with = small boats sailing in amongst them. Although they look as if they are turning slowly, they can't do many = rpm before the tips of the blades go supersonic, as the blades are many = 10s of metres long. Over what distance did you notice the magnetic effect? perhaps I = could get down to the ones on Romney Marsh, here in Kent and see if they = have any effect on a compass needle. The moving blades can affect radio reception for people living = nearby, although I've not noticed this myself. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: LF: Turbine magnets Great for LF!!!!!!!!!!!!! Experience Driving to Gleneagles in Scotland last weekend my car magnetic = compass was reading backwards and erratic and I wondered why. The hills es mountain tops are covered with WIND TURBINES, hugh = beasts and only turning slowly, cannot be producing much electric. however thinking about it I have concluded that the strong MAGNETS = in the turbines must effect a magnetic compass, possible aeroplanes as = well except they are flying very high, might also have an influence on = GPS frequencies and navigation in these areas I must say these hugh Monsters strewn all across the Scottish = mountain tops and countryside spoils the scenery. de Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CC7ACC.2C98F300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ask   David  Cameron = ....=20 !

Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Turbine magnets

Am I alone in liking wind turbines? Travelling in France recently = I've seen=20 many of these graceful structures. 

What are the rules for installing smaller ones on homes to help = power ham=20 gear?

BTW back home tomorrow so should be testing on 137kHz next=20 week. 

73s
Roger G3XBM

-- Via my iPod Touch 4g --

On 23 Sep 2011, at 09:42, "Chris" <c.ashby435@btinternet.com&g= t;=20 wrote:

Hi all,
Off topic I know, but whatever about = magnetic=20 effects, I agree with Mal when it comes to the appearance of these = things.=20 They are gradually ruining the best countryside in the UK. Mind you, = the=20 national grid pylons are not much better, would have been well = worth the=20 extra cost to bury the cables in my opinion. These turbines are = relatively=20 inefficient when you take evrything into account. It's the government = trying=20 to meet some ludicrous target re 'green' electricity generation. The = sooner=20 the hype dies down and we go back to nuclear power the better I=20 say.
Vy 73,
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, = UK.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hugh = M0WYE=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, September 22, = 2011 9:07=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Turbine = magnets

Seems unlikely that the magnetism = would reach=20 that far to me - the magnetic field would be no different to any = other large=20 generating set - they are just an ordinary alternator driven through = a=20 gearbox.
If they did affect magnetic = compasses you would=20 have thought that the place you would really notice it would be = around the=20 coast, with small boats sailing in amongst them.
Although they look as if they are = turning=20 slowly, they can't do many rpm before the tips of the blades go = supersonic,=20 as the blades are many 10s of metres long.
Over what distance did you notice = the=20 magnetic effect? perhaps I could get down to the ones on Romney = Marsh,=20 here in Kent and see if they have any effect on a compass=20 needle.
 
The moving blades can affect radio = reception=20 for people living nearby, although I've not noticed this=20 myself.
 
73
Hugh M0WYE
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Thursday, September = 22, 2011=20 5:09 PM
Subject: LF: Turbine = magnets

Great for LF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Experience
 
Driving to Gleneagles in Scotland last = weekend my=20 car magnetic compass was reading backwards and erratic and I = wondered=20 why.
The hills es mountain tops are covered = with WIND=20 TURBINES,  hugh beasts and only turning slowly, cannot be = producing=20 much electric.
however thinking about it I have concluded = that the=20 strong MAGNETS in the turbines must effect a = magnetic=20 compass,  possible aeroplanes as well except they are flying=20 very high, might also have an influence on = GPS frequencies and=20 navigation in these areas
I must say these hugh Monsters strewn all = across the=20 Scottish mountain tops and countryside spoils the=20 scenery.
 de Mal/G3KEV
 

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