Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t83Icjka024349 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 20:38:45 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZXZLt-0004mW-U8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 19:35:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZXZLt-0004mN-HE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 19:35:13 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXZKj-0001De-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 19:35:12 +0100 Received: from AGB ([95.150.81.63]) by mwinf5d08 with ME id CiZm1r00M1My6Xz03iZmnL; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 20:33:47 +0200 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 20:33:47 +0200 X-ME-IP: 95.150.81.63 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B1E00EE@servigilant.vigilant.local> <786771441303722@web14j.yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <786771441303722@web14j.yandex.ru> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:33:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Scan-Signature: e6ca507e494efc41e4b71d154e5805b0 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Odd sunset captures Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01D0E67F.73378D80" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4032 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01D0E67F.73378D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Of course Roman , can have funny wrong call's any data mode will = make those , more funny is people compare data decoding with = correlation detection and not realise why correlation has lower = s/n , and particularly hilarious is those who know what's = happening and don't tell anyone . Opera only deploys dynamic on 477/136 , the HF to SHF are all = simply data decodes, where as the Magic Mode has mixed = correlation and decoding on all bands , which explains how it = survives Doppler spreads 3 times its b/w on 10 MHZ and even works = , some times on vhf .. mfsk can be correlated , just the same as = ook , the time locking has more to do with pattern matching, = than decoding data . As some one pointed out , 'What ever colour the cat , as long as it = catches the mouse' just in this case , the cat's out of the bag = and it turns out , there are more than one in there . G , ,) From: Roman=20 Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 7:08 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Odd sunset captures Graham I rx too mny false and fantoms in OPERA for long 3 years. As usual this is not real calls. 03.09.2015, 19:20, "Graham" : That's interesting Luis ..one those . the kings not wearing = anything moment's jiji By the qrg 400k , this was a wspr 2 TX ? So the only way Stefan's call sign could be recovered is from = the look up table as part of a correlation process [ see other = linking posts] Its IMPOSSIBLE for Opera to produce such false Decode =20 But if you mean DYNAMIC Detection , has Ghosts , that's true for = any correlation system and the ghosts always take on real life = forms=20 However the Phantom , has provided a Time stamp Ghost Buster = validation system . something wspr cannot as it already uses the = web for time locking , oddly , accurate time is required for a = correlation system ... People are not too sure of the difference between Decode and = Detection , but those who do , like the extra dB's one gives = over the other=20 As I noted previously=20 ''no one minds a bit of the 'Old Jaspers' as long as its not = take too seriously''=20 6 meters is known as the Magic band , may be wspr should be = the 'Magic' Mode=20 73-G, From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 11:28 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Odd sunset captures Hi Mike, MF From my records last night, DK7FC was transmiting in 06-16-26-36 ... = periods, but not at 23:04 The locator shown in your decode is also wrong The closest frame to the time you decoded was at 23:06 2306 -21 -1.2 0.475684 0 DK7FC JN49 30 Not only Opera has its ghost ! ;-) PS: I'm QRV again. Back from a 15 days vacation trip 73 de Luis EA5DOM -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de Michael Sapp Enviado el: jueves, 03 de septiembre de 2015 2:19 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; lowfer@mailman.qth.net Asunto: LF: Odd sunset captures Hi All: I'm not sure what to think of this.... https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwnopmbl2fz5ye5/IMG_4537.JPG?dl=3D0 I have been experimenting with IF shifting my radio to get WG2XJM very = strong signal 10 to 13 dB down the IF bandpass curve to improve weak signal reception of other stations when Eric is = transmitting. Odd sunset partial captures appear to be transatlantic, but I am not sure about reality with this data. = My EWE antenna was configured to favor a SE direction, but with 120 degree 3dB beam width pattern it covers the NE as well. Long = distance transition zone propagation is a possibility, but I would be hesitant to claim it not having received correct grid square = information...... 73, Mike wa3tts --=20 73! Roman, RW3ADB ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01D0E67F.73378D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Of course  Roman ,  can have  funny  = wrong =20 call's  any data  mode  will  make those ,  = more =20 funny  is  people  compare   data = decoding =20 with  correlation detection  and  not  realise=20 why   correlation has  lower   s/n  ,=20 and particularly  hilarious  is  those  = who =20 know  what's  happening  and don't  tell  = anyone=20 .
 
Opera only  deploys  dynamic  on  477/136 , = the =20 HF to SHF  are all  simply  data  decodes, = where =20 as  the  Magic Mode has  mixed  correlation  = and =20 decoding  on all  bands , which  explains  how = it =20 survives  Doppler spreads  3 times  its  b/w  = on 10=20 MHZ and even  works , some times  on vhf ..  mfsk = can be=20 correlated  , just the  same as  ook  ,  =20 the  time  locking  has more to do  with  = pattern =20 matching, than  decoding  data .
 
As some one  pointed out ,  'What ever colour = the  cat=20 , as long as  it  catches  the  mouse'  just in = this  case , the  cat's  out of the bag and  = it  turns=20 out , there  are  more than  one  in there .
 
G , ,)
 
 
 
 

From: Roman
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 7:08 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Odd sunset captures

Graham I rx too mny false and fantoms in OPERA for long 3 = years.
As usual this is not real calls.
 
 
03.09.2015, 19:20, "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:<= /DIV>
That's  interesting  Luis ..one  those  . = the =20 kings  not  wearing  anything   = moment's =20 jiji
 
By the  qrg 400k  , this  was a  = wspr =20 2  TX ?
 
So the  only  way  Stefan's  = call =20 sign  could be  recovered   is from the  = look =20 up  table as  part of a  correlation  process [ = see=20 other  linking posts]
 
Its  IMPOSSIBLE   for  = Opera =20 to  produce  such false  Decode  =
 
But if you  mean  DYNAMIC Detection =  ,=20 has  Ghosts ,  that's  true for  any =20 correlation  system   and the  ghosts always  = take on=20 real life  forms 
 
However the  Phantom , has  provided  a  = Time  stamp   Ghost  Buster  = validation  system  . something  wspr cannot as = it =20 already uses the  web  for  time  locking , = oddly ,=20 accurate  time is required for  a  correlation =20 system ...
 
People  are  not  too  sure  of = the =20 difference  between  Decode  and=20 Detection  ,    but those  who do , = like=20 the  extra  dB's one  gives  over the =20 other 
 
As I  noted  previously 
 
''no  one minds a  bit of the   = 'Old=20 Jaspers'  as  long as its not take too  seriously''=20
 
6 meters  is  known as the  Magic  band = ,  may=20 be  wspr  should be   the  = 'Magic'  =20 Mode 
 
73-G,
 
 
From: VIGILANT Luis = Fern=C3=A1ndez
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 11:28 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Subject: LF: RE: Odd sunset captures
 
Hi = Mike,=20 MF
 
From my records=20 last night, DK7FC was transmiting in 06-16-26-36 ... = periods, but=20 not at 23:04
The locator shown=20 in your decode is also wrong
 
The closest frame=20 to the time you decoded was at 23:06
2306 -21 -1.2 0.475684 = 0 DK7FC=20 JN49 30
 
Not only Opera = has its ghost=20 ! ;-)
 
PS: I'm QRV = again. Back from=20 a 15 days vacation trip
 
73 de=20 Luis
EA5DOM
 
De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org]=20 En nombre de Michael Sapp
Enviado el: jueves, 03 de=20 septiembre de 2015 2:19
Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ;=20 lowfer@mailman.qth.net
A= sunto:=20 LF: Odd sunset captures
 
Hi All: I'm not sure what to think of = this....
 
ht= tps://www.dropbox.com/s/xwnopmbl2fz5ye5/IMG_4537.JPG?dl=3D0
 
I have been experimenting with IF = shifting my=20 radio to get WG2XJM very strong signal 10 to 13 dB down the IF=20 bandpass
 
curve to improve weak signal = reception of other=20 stations when Eric is transmitting.  Odd sunset partial captures=20 appear
 
to be transatlantic, but I am not = sure about=20 reality with this data. My EWE antenna was configured to favor a SE = direction,=20 but with
 
120 degree 3dB beam width pattern it = covers the=20 NE as well.   Long distance transition zone propagation is a = possibility, but I
 
would be hesitant to claim it not = having received=20 correct grid square information......
 
73, Mike = wa3tts
 
 
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73!
Roman, RW3ADB
 
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