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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Bob, unfortunately 74612 won't work here, regarding DCF it's not better than 613 or 614. I'd vote for 74322 (72.7 kHz dial + 1622 Hz audio) for tonight, as it's - close to a minimum of DCF77, - between European Loran lines, as confirmed by calculations and Hartmut's observation, - far enough from CFH 73.6 kHz for American listeners, - only requires minor antenna / preselector retuning. 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01CEF8FB.DA1C98B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2158 Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01CEF8FB.DA1C98B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bob, unfortunately 74612 won't work here, regarding DCF it's not better than = 613 or 614.=20 I'd vote for 74322 (72.7 kHz dial + 1622 Hz audio) for tonight, as it's=20 - close to a minimum of DCF77, - between European Loran lines, as confirmed by calculations and = Hartmut's observation, - far enough from CFH 73.6 kHz for American listeners, - only requires minor antenna / preselector retuning. Best 73, Markus From: Bob Raide=20 Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 6:14 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: All 73 Banders-Markus... Markus; Seems as you get lower there is some junk that I don't know what = creates it. I am surprised so many sigs and artifacts exist on these = freqs. But can't go down near 73.6 of course with that signal blasting = in most nights at 30 over nine. I have allot of signal going west that = would punch through allot of the junk as west coast is lot closer than = T/A stations. =20 I'll try 74.612 at Hartmut and Victor's request but if no good shoot me = an e mail and can go up or down several hz if we have to. Otherwise if = 74.612 vicinity is not the best we can try your choice tomorrow if you = like. I was wondering what it's like in Europe down at low end [68-70]? = Wonder if it might be harder to get sigs out as freq getting closer to = VLF! If it's clear I would think it might be better even though lower = by several percent. However, I will have to add "L" and retune things. = Might take too much time and just stay around 74.612 for tonight. Of course, 74.323.431 going to need to change dial freq. That would be = hard in middle of evening's transmissions-really need better propagation = to get my one watt sigs into Europe. Cold here [8-10 F] for tonight = which will add to conductivity and help with better start towards N = Atlantic. Bob =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: markusvester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 17:39:04 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: All 73 Banders... Thanks Hartmut, this is helpful!=20 How about 74322 then? The next higher line on 74323.431 seems to be much = weaker and will be far enough away. What's it like in America?=20 73, Markus 323. From: Hartmut Wolff=20 Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 4:56 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: All 73 Banders... Sorry, wrong link! This one is correct: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50178231/2013-12-14-1535_72700Hz%20di= al.jpg --=20 73 Hartmut Am 2013-12-14 16:49, schrieb Hartmut Wolff: Here is a screenshot how 72.7 dial here looks. http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26404526/Eu_Loran_frequencies_74300-74= 325Hz.txt 74321 is better than 74304, but not optimal because the Loran line on 74320.3 is to close I think. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01CEF8FB.DA1C98B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bob,
 
unfortunately 74612 won't=20 work here, regarding DCF it's not better than 613 or 614. =
 
I'd vote for 74322 (72.7 kHz dial + = 1622 Hz audio)=20 for tonight, as it's 
- close to a minimum of = DCF77,
- between European Loran lines, as = confirmed by=20 calculations and Hartmut's observation,
- far enough from CFH 73.6 kHz for = American=20 listeners,
- only requires minor antenna / = preselector=20 retuning.
 
Best = 73,
Markus
 
 

From: Bob Raide
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 6:14 PM
Subject: RE: LF: All 73 Banders-Markus...

Markus;
Seems as you get lower  there is = some junk=20 that I don't know what creates it.  I am surprised so many = sigs and=20 artifacts exist on these freqs.  But can't go down near 73.6 of = course with=20 that signal blasting in most nights at 30 over nine.  I have allot = of=20 signal  going west that would punch through allot of the junk as = west coast=20 is lot closer than T/A stations. 
I'll try 74.612 at = Hartmut and=20 Victor's request but if no good shoot me an e mail and can go up or = down=20 several hz if we have to.  Otherwise if 74.612 vicinity =  is not=20 the best we can try your choice tomorrow if you like.
I was = wondering=20 what it's like in Europe down at low end [68-70]?  Wonder if it = might be=20 harder to get sigs out as freq getting closer to VLF!  If it's = clear I=20 would think it might be better even though lower by several = percent. =20 However, I will have to add "L" and retune things.  Might take too = much=20 time and just stay around 74.612 for tonight.
Of course, 74.323.431 = going to=20 need to change dial freq.  That would be hard in middle of = evening's=20 transmissions-really need better propagation to get my one = watt sigs=20 into Europe.  Cold here [8-10 F] for tonight which will add to = conductivity=20 and help with better start towards N Atlantic.
Bob
 
From: markusvester@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: = Sat, 14=20 Dec 2013 17:39:04 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: All 73 Banders...

Thanks Hartmut, this is helpful! =
 
How about 74322 then? = The next higher line on 74323.431 = seems to be=20 much weaker and will be far enough away.
 
What's it like in America? =
 
73, Markus
 
 
323.
From: Hartmut Wolff
Sent: Saturday, December = 14, 2013 4:56=20 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: All 73=20 Banders...

Sorry, wrong link! This one is=20 correct:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50178231/2013-12-14-1535= _72700Hz%20dial.jpg

--
73
Hartmut

Am 2013-12-14 16:49, = schrieb=20 Hartmut Wolff:
Here is a screenshot how 72.7 dial here=20 looks.
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26404526/Eu_Loran_frequen= cies_74300-74325Hz.txt

74321 is better than 74304, but not optimal = because the=20 Loran line on
74320.3 is to close I=20 think.

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