Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7152 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 10:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by extortion.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 10:59:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 6468 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 11:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 11:01:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14L11O-00082k-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:49:54 +0000 Received: from mail2.hamilton-standard.com ([153.4.57.12]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14L11M-00082e-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:49:52 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from curly.hsd.utc.com by mail2.hamilton-standard.com; (8.9.1/) id FAA18760; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 05:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from umrsvr.hsd.utc.com by curly.hsd.utc.com; (8.9.0/) id FAA12766; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 05:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmex01nt.hsd.utc.com by umrsvr.hsd.utc.com; (8.9.0/) id FAA10609; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 05:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by nmex01nt.hsd.utc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:44:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Soegiono, Gamal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Mains Borne Noise Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:44:33 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit >> Has anybody on the list got a "whole house" mains filter >> installed at their QTH? Not a "whole house" mains filter, but a radio room mains "filter". All main supply to my radio equipment is run via a single phase isolation transformer, having two shields. Thereby my radio equipment does not have any electrical continuity with the phase conductor, the return conductor and the protective conductor. In order to guarantee safety, I drove a separate grounding rod (9m deep) into garden ground close to the house and use this as my "private" safety conductor. The isolation transformer has its primary windings shielded and its secondary shielded individually. I do connect the primary shield with the "normal" house safety conductor, the secondary shield with my "private" safety conductor. As the secondary winding is split (to allow for 120/240 adaptation) I connect the center tap to the "private" safety conductor as well. Thereby my "private" mains becomes symmetrically in respect to my private ground. In your case, designing and constructing a whole house wiring, I would recommend to consider the following points: (1) you want to prevent conducted noise, coming along the house mains entrance, creep into your house mains distribution system (wiring) and distribute therein at will. (2) you operate several equipment being potential sources of mains noise (any equipment utilizing SMPS, uP control, SCR dimmers and the like). You maybe will be interested to prevent home made mains noise from distributing in your house mains distribution system (wiring). To prevent (1), you may use 3 single phase isolation transformers, or 1 triple-phase isolation transformer right after the electric meter. To prevent (2) you need to run your mains wiring in separated cables to the destinations. One cable for living room, one cable for kitchen, one cable for ... This is a minimum measure. Additionally you may put electical filters in each of those cables. Thereby you prevent distribution of mains noise from one room into the other. If you just want to have a clean mains supply for your radio room, you may perhaps adopt my solution described above. To speak about "mains noise" is somewhat unspecific, as there are several ways how noise may distribute and what frequency range is concerned. One way, how conducted noise can propagate in mains cables is, running in the phase conductor and returning in the neutral return conductor. Academically, the safety conductor is not involved. This is called differential mode of propagation. The other way of propagation is, conducted noise flows in both the phase conductor as well as the neutral return conductor in the same direction. Now the return path is the safety conductor. This is called the common mode of propagation. My a.m. isolation transformer is excelent in supressing the common mode propagation over a large range of frequencies. It is still effective for higher frequencies to suppress differential mode of propagation (approx. starting at 500 kHz). To increase suppression of differential mode noise, I intend to add differential mode chokes (inductors) plus capacitors from phase conductor to neutral return conductor at the primary side of my isolation transformer. Just some ideas which hopefuly are of some benefit. 73 de Gamal