Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26253 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2000 10:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by grants.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 20 Jan 2000 10:49:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12BErd-0002J3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:30:53 +0000 Received: from mail2.hamilton-standard.com ([153.4.57.12]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12BEra-0002Iy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:30:50 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from curly.hsd.utc.com by mail2.hamilton-standard.com; (8.9.1/) id FAA02313; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 05:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from umrsvr.hsd.utc.com by curly.hsd.utc.com; (8.9.0/) id FAA25886; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 05:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmex01nt.hsd.utc.com by umrsvr.hsd.utc.com; (8.9.0/) id FAA21947; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 05:26:35 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: by nmex01nt.hsd.utc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:23:23 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Soegiono, Gamal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Receiving on 137 kHz Band Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:23:22 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear LF friends Hope you all experienced a "good landing" in new year 2000. Using the DSP Receiver KWZ30 manufactured by Kneisner & Doering http://kd-elektronik.com/kwz30_e/index.html I come acros receiption problems which are related to the spectrum occupancy and the Receiver Design. ========================= The frontend of the KWZ30 handles the whole input spectrum from almost DC up to 30 MHz, independent from the tuned frequency. This is not a principle problem, as the first mixer has sufficient large signal handling capabiity. First Mixer Output is at 75 MHz, which is filtered by a roofing filter, a 8-pole crystal filter with phase linear characteristic. The nominal BW of this filter is +/- 7.5 kHz (15kHz total) with moderate shape factor in order to keep phase deviations to a minimum. It does not (cannot) have the sharp shape as is common with SSB filters of the 8-pole design! Next in the IF chain comes the first IF amplifier, the second mixer, which outputs 456 kHz as the second IF unfiltered to the second IF amplifier. Up to this point the IF chain is in traditional analog design. All signals falling in the passband of the roofing filter i.e. +/- 7.5 kHz are processed in the same way as is the tuned frequency. The total level at the second IF amplifier output is limited by AGC action to a fixed level which is compatible with the following A/D converter (in order to not overload it). The strongest signal in the analog IF chain mainly determines the effective gain set by the AGC. After digitizing the IF on 456 kHz level, a DSP accomplishes final IF filtering with 9 selectable banwidths from 9kHz down to 50Hz, accomplishes demodulation, notching and noise reduction. After all a DA converter retrieves the audio signal which is then fed to a constant level recorder output and via audio amplifier to headphone or speaker. A more comprehensive description and test results can be obtained from http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/kwz30_a4.pdf ========================= Now lets have a look on the spectrum in vincinity of 137 kHz at my place, captured by a (broadband) electrical vertically polarized active antenna, 1m above GND. I concentrate on "big" signals only. (1) DCF42 with it's pilot tone on 122.5 kHz is -55dBm into 50 Ohms (2) DCF49 on mark frequency of 128.930 kHz is -31dBm (3) DCF39 on mark frequency of 138.830 kHz is -52dBm (4) DLF on carrier frequency of 153 kHz is -29 dBm When tuned to exactly 137 kHz the frequency offsets of these signals are: (1) -14.5 kHz (2) -8.07 kHz (3) +1.83 kHz (4) +16.0 kHz ========================= Signals (1) and (4) fall into the stopband of the roofing filter and are attenuated sufficiently and do not affect the AGC action of the receiver (do not reduce the gain of the analog IF chain). Signals (2) and (3) however fall into the passband and experience almost no attenuation relative to the tuned frequency of 137 kHz. This leads to AGC to reduce gain in the analog IF chain in order to limit the level fed to the ADC some dB below its overload point. Theoretically (under laboratory conditions) the DSP filtering and demodualtion IF chain can process signals with a dynamic range of no more than 90dB (restricted by the ampitude resolution of the 16 bit ADC). Practically I can detect a weak signal on 137 kHz which is -102dBm in level (equal to the noiselevel). With the level of DCF49 of -31 dBm this makes a useful dynamic range of 71 dB from largest signal (passing the roofing filter) to noise. ========================= Practically this situation prevents me from receiving LF amateur stations at distances beyond 70km ! The only stations heared up to now are: DJ8WL alias DA0LF (27 km) DF2PY (27 km) level -91 dBm DF8ZR (31 km) level -102 dBm DL3FDO (72 km) level -98 dBm ========================= The limitations set by my special Receiver model is simply due to physical law. Any Receiver of similar frontend design will experience the same problem. Most Receivers I have operated yet do not have roofing filters of less than +/- 3 kHz (6 kHz) BW and shape factors better than 3 at the same time, except for special CW or RTTY receivers. To overcome gain alias sensitivity reduction due to AGC being affected by the nearby (frequency and distance) strong stations, one shall use Receivers with "narrow" roofing filters. For people living close to DCF49 a receiver shall have a roofing filter (assuming reasonable steep roll off, i.e. shape factor of 2 or better) of no more than about +/- 4 kHz (8 kHz) in order to prevent AGC is affected by DCF49 signal level. For people living close to DCF39 a receiver shall have a roofing filter (assuming reasonable steep roll off, i.e. shape factor of 2 or better) of no more than +/- 0.9 kHz (1.8 kHz) in order to prevent AGC is affected by DCF39 signal level. To make use of Receivers having broader roofing filters, a dedicated LF preselector is indispensable. I have contacted DK1AG Bernd Neubig [BNeubig@compuserve.com] who is about to design such a dedicated LF preselector. He will show up in this forum as soon as he finished measurements and a short presentation. Using "selective" antennas is of no great help. I measured the -3dB BW of my GWS-loop-9 antenna to be 900 Hz @ 137 kHz, which leads to a Q of 152. This sounds great but signal (2) DCF49 is attenuated by only 7 dB, signal (3) by 2 dB whwn antenna tuning was optimized for 137 kHz. ========================= DK8KW, Geri Kinzel provided me with data on his LF receiver LWF45 from Teletron. The built in co-tuned preselector when tuned to exactly 137 kHz provides for the following attenuation figures: (1) DCF42 -14.5 kHz -41 dB (2) DCF49 -8.07 kHz -25 dB (3) DCF39 +1.83 kHz -4 dB (4) DLF +16.0 kHz -50 dB Best 73 de Gamal Soegiono