Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id w2VGKtrO009146 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 18:20:56 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1f2J24-0006eH-JS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:07:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1f2Ixy-0006e4-8a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:02:54 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-1.talktalk.net ([62.24.135.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f2Ixq-0007f0-EX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:02:48 +0100 Received: from mal ([2.98.123.32]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id 2IxpfM8k14Zqz2IxpfaNkx; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:02:46 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=talktalk.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=talktalk.net; s=cmr1711; t=1522512166; bh=jPR+2ownkN8h+/FXPsgpfYZ7ljoCvo3maq49iEH+1js=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=LAqITSh/LKexpDDESJ7wNx+7lwRg2bhUlSEOu2+Xf0GS0kWua6PXvrCq3G0poTrc+ xzAklCESI0ETIFYzJDftD/0oeZXVmPGZlNn54Q0UuAn4PtEKisUEJKGX4pHwllYOUT dTi/Oazo1QNUxavITAksfKy2CATiSVljkjJc2jj0= X-Originating-IP: [2.98.123.32] X-Spam: 0 X-OAuthority: v=2.3 cv=E/fjW5Vl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9PtPHmF0HonoBFA3cgHD+A==:117 a=9PtPHmF0HonoBFA3cgHD+A==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=79bTZUIPAAAA:8 a=GoqwstHNAAAA:8 a=gDAFGJbyAAAA:8 a=Us-SmUfliW7KIh2o9HcA:9 a=vYd3SwAQuFeB-Aw-:21 a=oNKrC0-yS3nHb54M:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=DVDbSKTq0uFteKOFbckA:9 a=daWrajfRN2jQeHAh:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=slCku8JSH3TyizEDQ3pD:22 a=ISTIEq08UyDe2sYTrcO4:22 a=aif6eW07jeEVVZOP0pFm:22 a=H2WkEZGh68wRIEKhhMIM:22 Message-ID: From: To: References: <5160a919-ec1f-92d4-24d2-4af64b822b1a@n1bug.com> <1627ca71c4d-1797-27ca@webjasstg-vaa58.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <1627ca71c4d-1797-27ca@webjasstg-vaa58.srv.aolmail.net> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:02:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfEMBLdtqjRF/Ocjk8D7swLt4NurXfxDZrxw4KZtwMFT+4uISbfcrgOXAaQXHG2LTZJBPS40k2S9+aGPhqDpStJJ1WacZbPWwjwbTs8iP1Uj7rhUsDhqO Np2SmE7VT8VtvCgiJbKsu2JdKycP4MvnQ+85jxGptAfTK0eoyAlCaNxf X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Maybe Part 5 USA operators do not want to talk about it !! It was open to interpretation as to what exactly an operator did when experimenting and communicating. however USA/UK communications did take place on both LF and MF at the time in question. also commercial services were communicating on LF/MF Transatlantic and world wide since time began. Royal Navy, Merchant Navy and point to point communications Very little new, its all old HAT G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.1 URIBL_SBL_A Contains URL's A record listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: n1bug.com] 0.6 URIBL_SBL Contains an URL's NS IP listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: n1bug.com] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: bc223f74149f392a7d9f3881f05f1e70 Subject: LF: Re: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01D3C912.16B1C620" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01D3C912.16B1C620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe Part 5 USA operators do not want to talk about it !! It was open = to interpretation as to what exactly an operator did when experimenting = and communicating. however USA/UK communications did take place on both LF and MF at the = time in question. also commercial services were communicating on LF/MF Transatlantic and world = wide since time began. Royal Navy, Merchant Navy and point to point = communications Very little new, its all old HAT G3KEV From: Markus Vester=20 Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 4:22 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO Hi Paul, though I am aware that Canadian amateurs (VA3LK sk, VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA) = have conducted successful 2-way QSO's with Europeans, I somehow don't = remember having read about previous contacts involving U.S. stations. = Could someone share information who did it, and when?=20 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: N1BUG An: rsgb_lf_group ; rsgb_lf_group = ; Discussion of the Lowfer (US, = European, & UK) and MedFer bands Verschickt: Do, 29. Mrz 2018 20:29 Betreff: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO It has been brought to my attention that there were two way contacts between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps other Europe) some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 licenses were authorized to make two way contacts with amateur radio stations. Much of what happened during those days does not seem to be well documented or widely known. Therefore, with apologies to all concerned, I retract my statement that this was the first USA to UK or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It was not my intent to take anything away from the accomplishments of those who paved the way for amateur occupancy of these bands. Unless someone comes forward with information to the contrary I still believe it to be the first amateur to amateur USA to UK and USA to Europe QSO. At the time of my original post I was thinking, but failed to state, "amateur radio QSO". In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 37 years in amateur radio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his considerable effort and sacrifice which made it possible. 73, Paul N1BUG ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01D3C912.16B1C620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maybe Part 5 USA operators do not want to talk about it !! It was = open to=20 interpretation as to what exactly an operator did when experimenting and = communicating.
however USA/UK communications did take place on both LF and MF at = the time=20 in question.
also
commercial services were communicating on LF/MF Transatlantic and = world=20 wide since time began. Royal Navy, Merchant Navy and point to point=20 communications
Very little new, its all old HAT
G3KEV
 
 
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 4:22 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG=20 QSO
 
Hi Paul,

though I am aware that Canadian amateurs = (VA3LK sk,=20 VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA) have conducted successful 2-way QSO's with = Europeans, I=20 somehow don't remember having read about previous contacts involving = U.S.=20 stations. Could someone share information who did it, and when?
73, Markus (DF6NM)
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Von: N1BUG=20 <paul@n1bug.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; rsgb_lf_group=20 <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk>; Discussion of the Lowfer (US, = European,=20 & UK) and MedFer bands <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>Verschickt: Do, 29. Mrz 2018 20:29
Betreff: = LF:=20 CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

It has=20 been brought to my attention that there were two way contactsbetween U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps other = Europe)some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 licenses = wereauthorized to make two way contacts with amateur radio = stations.Much of what happened during those days does not seem to be = welldocumented or widely known.

Therefore,=20 with apologies to all concerned, I retract my statement
that this=20 was the first USA to UK or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It
was not=20 my intent to take anything away from the accomplishments of
those=20 who paved the way for amateur occupancy of these bands.
Unless someone comes forward with information to the = contrary Istill believe it to be the first amateur to amateur USA to = UK andUSA to Europe QSO. At the time of my original post I was = thinking,but failed to state, "amateur radio QSO".
In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 37 years in = amateurradio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his = considerableeffort and sacrifice which made it possible.
73,
Paul N1BUG
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