Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.88]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC074-86a54bf4452b37c; Wed, 19 May 2010 16:08:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8EFEF3800009A; Wed, 19 May 2010 16:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OEpXZ-0007Xh-OE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 May 2010 21:06:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OEpXZ-0007XY-Be for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 May 2010 21:06:53 +0100 Received: from smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.250]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OEpXX-0006jo-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 May 2010 21:06:53 +0100 Received: (qmail 78818 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 20:06:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=kdJEJeQ1hk8zqoBj0X0rGvzQuKNiHdAg9yar9/4ydF5PRfljYiBnBjmexvZB3kdAx4Oe5unS5A/IKvAuM6vgDtfkhfehh7zkzbZCAgvTKpknn9oKhDMnLVCXos3ylsl1kUO8E37UyT4UMKe64idaiXINTJt7+5PeJ0r77+pvHq8= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1274299605; bh=ROvtHO3UZeNJlCbMcSWDcWMGrUGE2YjLyuMyksA3GxM=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Zrt/vHL5UC0kGHAsglKH11rWNB6Gv8gCn9WUxiwH4/exVjnZuRoRE3EeZ02mm0V0bbLvE8zkeLDruDUqglcGoJgBkBRNgXqGrSUGPuNE2VFRxqxnQYSIm3bt5RBUoRZvimV+ozKDnbR/UQy+8aH+qbFDqFmoniOvHPqoIFZACbI= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.180.205.31 with login) by smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 20:06:45 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: IPD5NgwVM1llHUBtsWet5a.vFls9VtlmIDZW9rWks.0jfOEPYoANvehYlCZtwjZJQznpRvj4qU7nQy70XCZkSW_ZN9sF7yPPlsjKisl3g.vA5KegND8vEW1JzrPhWiYefdZlp5dr681Tlq2SCuHSf0UhIwD4VN13vg.9w8A05ZYyuIGVjMZdG2p0qVEadHhtK6ubHyLdVa8j2wYMpjH79jCV5dUZ2qbNlDJ0oOg1DCDZBZuHmgS8l_9vKDv82L_yTSmwIS2e67osQgB5xbbLFl0YmhBTdt1lusb21DQX X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <008f01caf784$779a11d0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 21:06:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18197 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Alpha dashes Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m272.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584bf445291e2f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, Jacek, LF Group, For a detailed and accurate picture of signal and noise levels at VLF in the UK (and a fair amount of LF too...), go to Paul Nicholson's site at http://abelian.org/vlf/spectrum.shtml, which shows this information updated in nearly real time. There are links to other VLF web sites, and streaming audio too. SQ5BPF wrote: > unfortunately they are down now, so i can't tell you what is the s/n now. > but it's hard not to receive these stations. with an e-field antenna (or > with a h-field antenna but at some distance from powerlines) you can hear > them without any downconversion, provided that your headphones (and ears > :) have high enough frequency cutoff. with downconversion to 800Hz i would > give it 599 if it were cw (actually they sometimes transmit a marker in > cw) > I guess Alpha is a few dBs weaker in the UK. But I have usually been able to receive the Alpha beacons with my "Electromechanical Receiver" (http://www.wireless.org.uk/mechrx.htm), using a 10m high inverted L antenna, when I have had that RX set up for an SAQ broadcast - the motor/generator spindle speed has to be reduced for the lower alpha frequencies of course. The electromechanical RX is completely passive, and the saturating-core mixer is not very efficient, so it has about 20dB power loss between antenna and headphones, but even so, the QRN at VLF is so strong that this external noise is the limiting factor on receiver sensitivity, even one which has no electronics... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU