Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 86C27380000D6; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SCbgM-0000JY-3F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:03:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SCbgG-0000JN-Q3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:03:44 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews03.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.6]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SCbgF-0005X8-B0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:03:44 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews12.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.179]) by cpsmtpb-ews03.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:03:34 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.18]) by cpsps-ews12.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:03:33 +0200 Received: from acer ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:03:33 +0200 Message-ID: From: "henny van elst" To: References: <4F71F6F9.7060104@dsl.pipex.com> <4F720A80.4000401@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:01:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2012 19:03:33.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E7FD260:01CD0C4C] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: VLF: 8970Hz and 8970.022 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD0C5C.BACC05F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450688864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4094f720f650026 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD0C5C.BACC05F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan, while the coil was inside i had a fire between the wall,so i had to = reduce the power,now i can make more power but i am very carful.i = measure the current outside the house .first the coil,then the meter and = then the antenna,i do not no the L on this moment because i am still = testing, henny cpm 73's ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:44 PM Subject: Re: VLF: 8970Hz and 8970.022 Hi Henny, Chris, VLF Am 27.03.2012 19:20, schrieb Chris Dillon:=20 [...] Henny - your signal is stronger with me now - putting the coil = outside seems to be working.=20 Yes, here too. I wasn't sure if i actually saw your signal Henny. But = now it becomes more probably. There are propagation effects on our 397 km distance, diurnal QSB. I = lost your trace at arround 12 UTC. It was visible in 424 uHz. A = frequency shift of some few mHz would really help to identify your = signal. But you would have to use SpecLab for that and use a locked = sampling rate for this. It can be done by using a small ferrite antenna, = resonated to GQD. If you use an audio amplifier it would be an easy = procedure. 450 mA. Where do you measure this current? In the cold end of the coil = or outside the house? I remember you have had 450 mA for a longer time = now but its the first time we can see your signal so well. Maybe a = significant part of that current was flowing back to earth before = passing the radiation resistance. Then, the actual antenna current is = now 450 mA while it was say 200 mA where the coil was inside. How much L did you have to add to come to resonance again, when the = coil was placed outside? 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD0C5C.BACC05F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Stefan,
while the coil was inside i had a fire = between the=20 wall,so i had to reduce the power,now i can make more power but i am = very=20 carful.i measure the current outside the house .first the coil,then the = meter=20 and then the antenna,i do not no the L on this moment because i am still = testing,
henny cpm
73's
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 = 8:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: VLF: 8970Hz and=20 8970.022

Hi Henny, Chris, VLF

Am 27.03.2012 19:20, = schrieb Chris=20 Dillon:=20
[...]

Henny - your signal is stronger with me = now -=20 putting the coil outside seems to be working. =

Yes, here=20 too. I wasn't sure if i actually saw your signal Henny. But now it = becomes=20 more probably.
There are propagation effects on our 397 km = distance,=20 diurnal QSB. I lost your trace at arround 12 UTC. It was visible in = 424 uHz. A=20 frequency shift of some few mHz would really help to identify your = signal. But=20 you would have to use SpecLab for that and use a locked sampling rate = for=20 this. It can be done by using a small ferrite antenna, resonated to = GQD. If=20 you use an audio amplifier it would be an easy procedure.

450 = mA. Where=20 do you measure this current? In the cold end of the coil or outside = the house?=20 I remember you have had 450 mA for a longer time now but its the first = time we=20 can see your signal so well. Maybe a significant part of that current = was=20 flowing back to earth before passing the radiation resistance. Then, = the=20 actual antenna current is now 450 mA while it was say 200 mA = where the=20 coil was inside.
How much L did you have to add to come to = resonance again,=20 when the coil was placed outside?

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC
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