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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Laurence, I would suggest 137780.0 Hz. The uHz spectrograms from Chris 4X1RF (in Bucharest and Haifa) and mine (in Nuernberg) continuously cover the "TA" range 137774 to 137781 Hz. We normally "park" a 0.05 Hz wide high-resolution display slot on 137780 Hz, but it can be shifted around a posteriori within this range. 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The uHz spectrograms from Chris 4X1RF (in Bucharest and Haifa) and mine = (in Nuernberg) continuously cover the "TA" range 137774 to 137781 Hz. We = normally "park" a 0.05 Hz wide high-resolution display slot on 137780 = Hz, but it can be shifted around a posteriori within this range.=20 There are weak European Loran lines from Sylt / Lessay on 137780.4190 = and 137778.3705 Hz. The nearest DCF-39 modulation gap would be approximately 137764 to = 137772, a few Hz below the TA slot. But noiseblaning pretty much removes = all the remaining splatter here, so it's probably not worthwhile = shifting the grabbers to this slot. At nighttime, my largest source of interference is mostly music and = speech due to Luxembourg effect on the DCF carrier - of course there is = nothing like a preferred frequency in those audio spectra.. Looking forward to your trials! Best 73,=20 Markus (DF6NM)=20 =20 From: Laurence KL7UK=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:25 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Ref Markus XPQ microHz Markus - can you define a descrete freq that you would be consider the = best s/n in Europe for me to plop a carrier on for XPQ measurement?=20 =20 Still some way but Im happy with the coherent nature of the GPS derived = signal source for the Decca driver. The source will be the HP3336b GPS = 10MHz ref'd =20 Laurence KL1X Alaska -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: markusvester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 18:15:18 +0200 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752, DCF39 appears Laurence,=20 I'd be interested to see whether XPQ could be detected in a microHz = spectrogram here, either on Chris' grabber in Bucharest http://qsl.net/4x1rf/yo/lfgrabber.htm or mine in Nuernberg. Can you give your exact frequency, and could you = transmit a stable uninterrupted carrier for a couple of hours? We've = been seeing narrow traces from US East coast stations before, but I = wonder how much effect transpolar Doppler could have. Is DCF-39 really as strong as 25 dB in 100 Hz, ie. 45 dB/Hz, or would = that be in 0.1 Hz? What are the best hours? Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: Laurence KL7UK=20 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:21 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: DCF39 appears Nice to see DCF39 appearing on QRSS this evening over the Pole. Ive not = seen it since Spring here in Alaska. About 25dB noise in 100Hz (ish = units). Not dark yet either, Laurence KL1X WE2XPQ Wasilla AK From: Laurence KL7UK=20 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 2:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; lowfer@mailman.qth.net=20 Subject: LF: XPQ Further testing on 137.7752 ish carrier only ongoing - still in = shakedown mode but sweeps of individual 400w Modules show the same = resonance and output parameters from 2005 :-) http://kl7uk.com/XPQ2.jpg Set up in garage. Laurence We2xpq KL1X Wasilla Alaska From: Laurence KL7UK=20 Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:34 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; lowfer@mailman.qth.net=20 Subject: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752 A little bit of Nostalgia - WE2XPQ Wasilla Alaska is very intermittently = testing on 137.7752 DFCW various speeds and the odd bit of QRSS - Power = will be up to 2W ERP but is to be confirmed.=20 =20 Periods of operations, modes and powers will vary as Im trying to = remember all the ins and outs of why I installed 'X" relay to do a "Y" = function as its been 7 years or so. =20 Transmitter for the moment is the Decca 5501, drivers are FT817 h/b = transverter, Loop with around 100m circumference at 50ft or so and phase = meter. The Birch trees bend a lot more than the OKie Cottonwoods so not = sure how much detuning will happen as thing become more slack or as the = trees become snow laden -=20 =20 Laurence We2xpq KL1X Wasilla Palmer Alaska BP51IP ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CDA1AC.B53B4660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Laurence,
 
I would suggest 137780.0 Hz.
 
The uHz spectrograms from Chris 4X1RF (in = Bucharest=20 and Haifa) and mine (in Nuernberg) continuously cover the "TA" = range 137774=20 to 137781 Hz. We normally "park" a 0.05 Hz wide high-resolution = display=20 slot on 137780 Hz, but it can be shifted around a = posteriori=20 within this range.
 
There are weak European Loran lines from = Sylt /=20 Lessay on 137780.4190 and 137778.3705 Hz.
 
The nearest DCF-39 modulation gap would=20 be approximately 137764 to 137772, a few Hz below the TA slot.=20 But noiseblaning pretty much removes all the remaining splatter = here, so=20 it's probably not worthwhile shifting the grabbers to this=20 slot.
 
At nighttime, my largest source of = interference is=20 mostly music and speech due to Luxembourg effect on the DCF carrier - of = course=20 there is nothing like a preferred frequency in those audio=20 spectra..
 
Looking forward to your trials!
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM) 

 
From: Laurence KL7UK
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:25 PM
Subject: LF: Ref Markus XPQ microHz


 Markus - can you define a descrete freq = that you=20 would be consider the best s/n in Europe for me to plop a carrier on for = XPQ=20 measurement?
 
Still some way but Im happy with the coherent = nature=20 of the GPS derived signal source for the Decca driver. The source will = be the=20 HP3336b GPS 10MHz ref'd
 
Laurence KL1X Alaska
From: markusvester@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
CC:=20 rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk
Date:=20 Sun, 2 Sep 2012 18:15:18 +0200
Subject: Re: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752, = DCF39=20 appears

Laurence,
 
I'd be interested to see whether XPQ could be=20 detected in a microHz spectrogram here, either on Chris' grabber=20 in Bucharest
http://qsl.net/4x1rf/yo/lfgrabber.htm
or mine in Nuernberg. Can you = give your exact=20 frequency, and could you transmit a stable uninterrupted carrier for a = couple of=20 hours? We've been seeing narrow traces from US East coast = stations=20 before, but I wonder how much effect transpolar Doppler = could=20 have.
 
Is DCF-39 really as strong as 25 dB in 100=20 Hz, ie. 45 dB/Hz, or would that be in 0.1 Hz? What are = the best=20 hours?
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 

From: Laurence KL7UK
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:21 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: DCF39 appears

Nice to see DCF39 appearing on QRSS this evening over the = Pole. Ive=20 not seen it since Spring here in Alaska. About 25dB noise in 100Hz (ish = units).=20 Not dark yet either,

Laurence KL1X WE2XPQ Wasilla AK
From: Laurence = KL7UK
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 2:17 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; lowfer@mailman.qth.net
Subject: LF: XPQ

Further testing on 137.7752 ish carrier only ongoing - = still in=20 shakedown mode but sweeps of individual 400w Modules show the same = resonance and=20 output parameters from 2005 :-)

http://kl7uk.com/XPQ2.jpg

Set up in=20 garage.

Laurence We2xpq  KL1X Wasilla Alaska

From: Laurence = KL7UK
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:34 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; lowfer@mailman.qth.net
Subject: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752


A = little bit of=20 Nostalgia - WE2XPQ Wasilla Alaska is very intermittently testing on = 137.7752 DFCW various speeds and the odd bit of QRSS - Power will be up=20 to 2W ERP but is to be confirmed.
 
Periods of = operations,=20 modes and powers will vary as Im trying to remember all the ins and outs = of why=20 I installed 'X" relay to do a "Y" function as its been 7 years or=20 so.
 
Transmitter for the moment is the Decca 5501, = drivers are=20 FT817 h/b transverter, Loop with around 100m circumference at 50ft or so = and=20 phase meter. The Birch trees bend a lot more than the OKie = Cottonwoods so=20 not sure how much detuning will happen as thing become more slack or as = the=20 trees become snow laden -
 
Laurence We2xpq KL1X Wasilla = Palmer=20 Alaska BP51IP
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