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Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:35:30 +0100
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From: Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
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Alan, Marcus, LF,

Just received one of my own postings via LF Reflector after 2 days & it went
in the spam folder. I don't normally have any problems. The post contained a
SpecLab capture.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


On 23 April 2011 23:17, Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Do I get the message that some are having trouble with the reflector
> again.??
> Markus both tests came through here ok. Certainly the BT mail server was
> very slow yesterday .....I believe reflector mail is classified as bulk and
> lower priority so can be delayed over personal mail.
>
> There are a couple of possibilities one is that you are not receiving the
> return addressed to you but everybody else gets it.....I have this problem
> on several of the Yahoo Groups . The return of my message always goes into
> the Spam folder. It can also get delayed en-route.
>
> Some ISPs who may have been marked due to no fault of yours as the
> originators of spam soemtimes get blacklisted. The messages are just dumped
> there is no "cant deliver" because this ping-pongs backwards and forwards
> taking up more bandwidth. Sometimes the Blacklisting is very old and the
> ISP
> or perhaps an enroute node doesnt know hey are blacklisted.
>
> Sometimes an innocent word or sentence in the message will hit the spam or
> porn alarm and your message will get dumped. Some seem to get an "cant
> deliver" response to some of these but the reasons for the infringement are
> almost impossible to work out.
>
> Specifically for Majordomo which is a very old piece of software......it
> was
> designed for text messages ....it will on occasions object violently to
> some
> HTML,  though passing others with no problem......I have never been able to
> understand exactly what is going on here. You should be aware it is
> possible
> to hide executing code and other nasties inside  HTML, so it is treated
> with
> suspicion. You will undoubtedly have noticed that all the pharma and
> phishing emails use HTML you cant hide so easily in text.
>
> Generally incoming (to UK) mails seem to suffer worse than UK originated
> .....Again I am not sure why but the problem may somewhere on the route. If
> you are very clever you can learn a lot from the headers........but I cant
> help there.
>
> suggestions.....try a simple text only message, try using a different
> address (ideally a different ISP) I seem to remember one user recently was
> having problems with t-online.de
>
> ....and dont worry Yahoo has it problems as well ....any system that tags
> its own moderated messages as spam has got to be neurotic :-))
>
> I hope that helps
>
> Alan G3NYK
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:25 PM
> Subject: LF: test again
>
>
>
>

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Alan, Marcus, LF,<div><br></div><div>Just received one of my own postings=
 via LF Reflector after 2 days &amp; it went in the spam folder. I don&#39=
;t normally have any problems. The post contained a SpecLab capture.</div>=
<div>
<br></div><div>73</div><div><br></div><div>Gary - G4WGT.</div><div><br></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 23 April 2011 23:17, Alan Melia <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alan.melia@btinternet.com">alan.melia@b=
tinternet.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Do I get the message that some are having=
 trouble with the reflector<br>
again.??<br>
Markus both tests came through here ok. Certainly the BT mail server was<b=
r>
very slow yesterday .....I believe reflector mail is classified as bulk an=
d<br>
lower priority so can be delayed over personal mail.<br>
<br>
There are a couple of possibilities one is that you are not receiving the<=
br>
return addressed to you but everybody else gets it.....I have this problem=
<br>
on several of the Yahoo Groups . The return of my message always goes into=
<br>
the Spam folder. It can also get delayed en-route.<br>
<br>
Some ISPs who may have been marked due to no fault of yours as the<br>
originators of spam soemtimes get blacklisted. The messages are just dumpe=
d<br>
there is no &quot;cant deliver&quot; because this ping-pongs backwards and=
 forwards<br>
taking up more bandwidth. Sometimes the Blacklisting is very old and the=
 ISP<br>
or perhaps an enroute node doesnt know hey are blacklisted.<br>
<br>
Sometimes an innocent word or sentence in the message will hit the spam or=
<br>
porn alarm and your message will get dumped. Some seem to get an &quot;can=
t<br>
deliver&quot; response to some of these but the reasons for the infringeme=
nt are<br>
almost impossible to work out.<br>
<br>
Specifically for Majordomo which is a very old piece of software......it=
 was<br>
designed for text messages ....it will on occasions object violently to so=
me<br>
HTML, =A0though passing others with no problem......I have never been able=
 to<br>
understand exactly what is going on here. You should be aware it is possib=
le<br>
to hide executing code and other nasties inside =A0HTML, so it is treated=
 with<br>
suspicion. You will undoubtedly have noticed that all the pharma and<br>
phishing emails use HTML you cant hide so easily in text.<br>
<br>
Generally incoming (to UK) mails seem to suffer worse than UK originated<b=
r>
.....Again I am not sure why but the problem may somewhere on the route.=
 If<br>
you are very clever you can learn a lot from the headers........but I cant=
<br>
help there.<br>
<br>
suggestions.....try a simple text only message, try using a different<br>
address (ideally a different ISP) I seem to remember one user recently was=
<br>
having problems with <a href=3D"http://t-online.de" target=3D"_blank">t-on=
line.de</a><br>
<br>
....and dont worry Yahoo has it problems as well ....any system that tags<=
br>
its own moderated messages as spam has got to be neurotic :-))<br>
<br>
I hope that helps<br>
<br>
Alan G3NYK<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: &quot;Markus Vester&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:markusvester@aol.com=
">markusvester@aol.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:25 PM<br>
Subject: LF: test again<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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