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Content preview: R Bob , the Tx signal is the same each way , running Op and Ds at the rx end is the only true test G, From: Bob Raide Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 10:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014 [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.3 GAPPY_SUBJECT Subject: contains G.a.p.p.y-T.e.x.t X-Scan-Signature: 9aeb22fcc5f85a0c5dfe0ca5f6e84ccf Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014F_01CF0352.C49F2780" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=GAPPY_SUBJECT,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2679 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01CF0352.C49F2780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R Bob , the Tx signal is the same each way , running Op and Ds = at the rx end is the only true test=20 G,=20 From: Bob Raide=20 Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 10:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014 I have run both together. If OP alone don't make it after -40 the DS = would. It simply works-your talking to me-a user of both time and time = again. There are nights OPDS isn't needed and other times my signal = ain't quit makin it. OPDS makes me look good those marginal nights! = It's still OPERA but just "spruced up" a little-how bout that? =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:03:32 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014 That's two different shows, =20 When it comes to the numbers then things can go wrong , the best = way is to run the two up the strip together , The best way to detect a carrier , as Stefan will tell you is = qrss as you can wind the time out as long as you like , then you=20 need to be stable , each end etc=20 G,=20 From: Bob Raide=20 Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 9:40 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014 G; Myself I don't care about source code, don't know what it is-don't want = to know. It's your secret that's fine but if you can add something that = under adverse conditions can make the difference in decode-correlation = or whatever you want to call it, I want it. Save me from building a 10 = times bigger transmitter, substantially lower antenna voltages for the = same decode-I want it! I guess it's an ego thing as someone else would = get credit for your development of the basic working system. =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 21:23:01 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014 Its the old source code argument=20 There are plenty of locked systems in use , source code comes under = 'IP' Intellectual Property rights , there is no need to disclose as = long as all can use the same , sure some would like to see = 'how' but that's another angle , same with encryption, DSSS numeric = based data modes like Olivia , chip64, contessa , ros hf as long as = the software has the same keys then that meets the requirements=20 The Opera decoder is a data decoder , Marcus is running = correlation , pattern matching , two different things entirely , one = has high equipment over heads , the other uses anti noise/ fec/afc = software routines to negate hardware affects on system performance and = counteract propagation conditions , Opera is a averaging system and = requires for a decode , the average of the min s/n , from 50% of = the data randomly dispersed along the time line , ie first 50 last = 50 or any 50%=20 G,=20 From: Bob Raide=20 Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 8:53 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014 What your saying is for those of us wanting to improve things go play = with the other systems and leave OPERA just as it is? Bob =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:39:58 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014 There are plenty of commercial data mode systems in use on the = Ham bands that are locked and not publicised , from my experience , = the locked systems seem to give a superior level of performance to = the open code versions , pactor-4 being a good example , using = modern ss techniques achieves high data/power ratio , but missing = is the cdma layer that would enhance b/w user efficiency , but = that exists in another locked data mode , which is free=20 So where /what is the problem ? G,=20 From: wolf_dl4yhf=20 Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 7:41 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014 Thanks for forwarding the message Bob - so I won't spend any effort in = implementing Opera myself if Markus's DS algorithm is really embedded in = the Ros-software. Despite the fact that I don't like, and will not use, the original Opera = software myself as long as its author makes such a secret of it, leaving = it to others to reverse-engineer the algorithms. Cheers, Wolf . Am 27.12.2013 19:31, schrieb Bob Raide: Trevor and all; Especially #1!!! If that alone could be accomplished the rest later = would do just fine. Bob, WG2XRS/4-4000 meters, WE2XEB-2200 meters, = WE2XGR/6-630/600 meters-W2ZM... =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- To: O_P_E_R_A_@yahoogroups.com CC: tsmithers@cix.co.uk From: tsmithers@cix.co.uk Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 16:48:00 +0000 Subject: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014 =20 A few thoughts for Opera enhancements VLF to 160m (1) Deep Search Detector built in to existing Opera system with = ability to run alongside existing=20 Op decoders and report directly to PSK reporter=20 (2) Reinstate the dual receive function without having to open = multiple instances of the software. (3) Dynamically resizable screen or replace the dials with led bar = type indicators - would make=20 the overall screen size a little smaller. (4) Option to "tear off" the waterfall to enable positioning on = another part of the monitor screen -=20 like wsprx for example. Trevor G0KTN __._,_.___Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a = New Topic Messages in this topic (1) =20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 3=20 Visit Your Group=20 =20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest =95 Unsubscribe =95 Terms of Use = =95 Send us Feedback=20 . =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01CF0352.C49F2780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
R Bob , the  Tx  signal is the  = same=20 each  way  ,  running  Op and Ds  at the  = rx=20 end  is the  only  true test
 
G,
 
 
 
 

From: Bob Raide
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 10:12 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: RE: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for=20 2014

I have run both together. If OP alone don't make it after = -40 the=20 DS would.  It simply works-your talking to me-a user of both time = and time=20 again.  There are nights OPDS isn't needed and other times my = signal=20 ain't quit makin it.  OPDS makes me look good those marginal = nights! =20 It's still OPERA but just "spruced up" a little-how bout = that?
 
From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To= :=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:03:32=20 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for = 2014

That's  two different  shows,=20  
 
When it  comes to  the numbers  = then =20 things  can go  wrong , the  best  way  is = to  run=20 the  two  up the  strip  together ,
 
The  best  way to  detect  = a =20 carrier , as Stefan will  tell  you  is = qrss   as=20 you  can  wind the  time  out  as long as you = like ,=20 then you
need  to  be  stable  , each = end etc=20
 
G,

From: Bob Raide
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 9:40 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: RE: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for=20 2014

G;
Myself I don't care about source code, don't know = what=20 it is-don't want to know.  It's your secret that's fine but if = you can=20 add something that under adverse conditions can make the difference = in=20 decode-correlation or whatever you want to call it, I want = it.  Save=20 me from building a 10 times bigger transmitter, substantially lower = antenna=20 voltages for the same decode-I want it!  I guess it's an ego = thing as=20 someone else would get credit for your development of the basic=20 working  system.
 
From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fri,=20 27 Dec 2013 21:23:01 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera = upgrades=20 for 2014

Its  the old source  code  = argument=20
 
There are plenty of  locked  = systems  in=20 use , source code comes under  'IP' Intellectual Property = rights ,=20 there is no  need  to  disclose  as  long = as =20 all  can  use  the  same , sure =20 some  would  like to  see  'how'  but = that's=20 another angle  , same  with  encryption, DSSS = numeric based=20 data  modes like  Olivia , chip64, contessa , ros hf =   as=20 long  as  the  software  has the  same  = keys =20 then that  meets the  requirements
 
The Opera  decoder is  a  = data =20 decoder ,  Marcus is  running  correlation , = pattern =20 matching , two  different things entirely , one has high =20 equipment  over heads , the  other  uses anti noise/ = fec/afc  software routines to  negate hardware affects on = system=20 performance and counteract propagation conditions , Opera  is = a =20 averaging  system and  requires  for a decode , the  = average  of  the  min s/n  , from 50% of the =20 data  randomly dispersed along the  time  line , ie first = 50  last 50  or  any 50%
 
G,
 

From: Bob Raide
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 8:53 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: RE: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for=20 2014

What your saying is for those of us wanting to = improve things=20 go play with the other systems and leave OPERA just as it is?=20 Bob
 
From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Date:=20 Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:39:58 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] = Opera=20 upgrades for 2014

There  are plenty of  commercial  data  = mode =20 systems  in use  on the  Ham bands  that  are=20 locked  and not  publicised , from  my experience , = the =20 locked systems seem to  give a  superior level  of = performance=20  to the  open    code  versions , = pactor-4 =20 being a  good  example , using  modern  ss = techniques =20 achieves  high data/power  ratio , but  missing  is=20 the  cdma  layer that  would  enhance  = b/w  user=20 efficiency  , but  that  exists in another locked = data =20 mode , which is  free
 
So  where /what  is the  problem ?
 
G,

From: wolf_dl4yhf
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 7:41 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for=20 2014

Thanks for forwarding the message Bob - = so I won't=20 spend any effort in implementing Opera myself if Markus's DS algorithm = is really=20 embedded in the Ros-software.
Despite the fact that I don't like, and = will=20 not use, the original Opera software myself as long as its author makes = such a=20 secret of it, leaving it to others to reverse-engineer the=20 algorithms.

Cheers,
  Wolf .

Am 27.12.2013 19:31, = schrieb=20 Bob Raide:
Trevor and all;
Especially #1!!!  If that alone = could=20 be accomplished the rest later would do just fine. Bob,=20 WG2XRS/4-4000 meters, WE2XEB-2200 meters, WE2XGR/6-630/600=20 meters-W2ZM...
 
To: O_P_E_R_A_@yahoogroups.com=
CC:=20 tsmithers@cix.co.uk
From: = tsmithers@cix.co.uk
Date: = Fri, 27 Dec=20 2013 16:48:00 +0000
Subject: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for=20 2014

 =20
A few thoughts for Opera enhancements VLF to=20 160m

(1) Deep Search Detector built in to existing Opera system = with=20 ability to run alongside existing
Op decoders and report directly = to PSK=20 reporter

(2) Reinstate the dual receive function without = having to=20 open multiple instances of the software.

(3) Dynamically = resizable=20 screen or replace the dials with led bar type indicators - would make =
the=20 overall screen size a little smaller.

(4) Option to "tear off" = the=20 waterfall to enable positioning on another part of the monitor screen = -=20
like wsprx for example.

Trevor G0KTN


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