Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.9]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5ee64b969c6a348; Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:07:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-di05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E6E8D380000CE; Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Np4l0-00070F-OB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:06:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Np4l0-000706-BZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:06:18 +0000 Received: from smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.248]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Np4ky-00056Q-LK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:06:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 76800 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2010 19:06:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PKXE3BGPbNBPcJwnvSg0gK8C3e5QMxsi5munOQUFqWy2am13SyGpwftH3ZOed4PwqHan9heMhy2T44uwnlUQW9wn+8PWhhw4e0h0bx/+wrSfCzf2LwGxeHJomfS8EHO8QPxEyjFfH6VBhE6TLLjXoXecGb7aVJBvPioVxFPSOus= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1268161570; bh=XP7/IExi8rVZYgofoqald47svyXCN+l7pxU+MlNwFFo=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=G24WySwJs0vLClUmvkW+UKlMlbFH56EuHXBex7aYbRdLxqEezEJfHt86krOTSyP9c6Dab1Md9RHpe8kE68F/eqXLjjf1cR0lHPKA5rGiPJfo3gLMediEo0ceLqD4mGaF2yNASEau1opMvTJq/+Bjb1vUfRBVmlWP5qMwO+FBeBQ= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Mar 2010 19:06:10 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: pARn4SAVM1lJiR8Jgo_8e5yitNCP_Nw0gpgJ4.UlXor2SsbiWH0F3zTaG.H0UpSpdK.v4Rh73tBEx_KURzMz9Oqh3IJp1ZxGKQwtdiMVFzKmdyGDHrWU9XWRhl_.4_Ck_riPAjxP3Hyy9uBWhD9m4SA5YEv.4Uf_3U0n3UB_kJOFguvrc0zj0DGJf5GuUIFzkX3q51Jm6CsrCP9emsFEqG.Eq.Vdy.fVosZlhU8fbaRo8t50co2BG9OT0PUZT7mE1l0NTPE3MUByLrI0Ly.CyBQf19eYZrZfmmou71GYuV0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <9afca2641003090337t4062bb3avc9b952612014c0ba@mail.gmail.com> <4B9678C3.7070907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4B9678C3.7070907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:06:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Possible VLF HV problems, or not? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d304.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40094b969c680437 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Stefan, LF Group, Text-book discussions of professional VLF antennas suggest operating= =20 voltages limited by corona at the order of 250kV - but of course these= are=20 using much larger conductor sizes, and separation between antenna wire= s and=20 other objects, than is normal with amateur antennas. My experiences on 136k and 73k suggest that about 20kV can be sustaine= d on a=20 small-scale wire antenna, provide care is taken to reduce corona - I= found=20 it neccessary to fit corona rings about 150mm in diameter to the ends= and=20 sharp bends on the antenna wires, and where they attach to insulators,= =20 otherwise corona would occur at these points. The effect of corona discharge was to produce apparent rapid, erratic= =20 changes in antenna impedance, which made tuning to resonance and match= ing=20 resistance impossible. Sometimes, the antenna would work OK for some= time=20 before breakdown occured. It is often quite hard to see corona, just= a faint=20 blue glow until it sets fire to something! Sometimes I could only loca= te it=20 through the hissing sound it makes. I found quite a good "corona detec= tor"=20 was a broadcast FM receiver, on which crackling noises would appear wh= en=20 breakdown was occuring. Corona can cause a lot of damage, melting or= setting=20 fire to plastic insulators, ropes, wooden objects near the antenna wir= e,=20 etc., antennas suddenly falling down and so on. Several of us have=20 experienced fire damage due to corona, so beware! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: LF: Possible VLF HV problems, or not? > Dear LF, > > I have had some thoughts about HV problems when operating a vertical= =20 > antenna wire at some 10kV. > >=20