Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.94]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-5ea54c248f0c7f; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 07:12:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 400D53800009B; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 07:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OS6oA-0003zz-Di for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:10:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OS6o9-0003zq-Rk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:10:53 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.128]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OS6o9-0006cn-0i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:10:53 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3417.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 394291C00377 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:10:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3417.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2C5331C00381 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:10:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.71.102]) by mwinf3417.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 839321C00377 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:10:44 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20100625111044539.839321C00377@mwinf3417.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <6DEA7E8987244A48846E44813972D608@TonyLaptop> <1845591504.511262.1277453070420.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb034> <75F6684803394030B28412B2B11384EC@TonyLaptop> In-Reply-To: <75F6684803394030B28412B2B11384EC@TonyLaptop> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:10:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100625-0, 25/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna wire Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01CB145F.6FC57010" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605e4c248f090d99 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01CB145F.6FC57010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony, If you need a long wire ,=20 Check out the telephone installers , I found a trade supplier that= was nearly half the e-bay price for a drum of N-10 drop wire= , a 250 mtr roll came the next day , depends on the intended spa= n , 700 ft in this case .. But , long low wires or loops do not give the expected performance= , as Mr M pointed out a while ago, but as the Ae I have at 'fpr= are about 90 feet above the ground and surrounded by salt wate= r , the Q seems to be quite good , even as the loop is closer to= the fort, a few 1000 tons of yellow sandstone ,I do not think its= particularly damped, quite reactive on HF Depends on the band and the space ? G .=20 From: Tony Baldwin=20 Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:35 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna wire Would welding wire do, the CO2 welding wire about 1mm copper coated st= eel wire ? That I already have a roll of and it's available in Lidl this week. Tony, EI8JK. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Horst St=C3=B6cker=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:04 AM Subject: Re: LF: Antenna wire Hello Tony, there are two problems using RG58 that way: The antenna will be too= heavy. You will never get a minimal sag even if you could tension the= RG58 as it should be. But RG58 as well as the most other wires ore ca= bles become longer and longer because of their own weight. You can buy special antenna litz - good, but not cheap. Or you take= field cable. You can get it as surplus. I bought some hundred meters= of field cable from the NVA (ex DDR military). It is made of copper= and (!) steel wires. So you can tension it very well. I used my first= antenna made of field cable cores for more than six years before it= ripped while a storm. My actual antennas are also made of field cable= cores. The only problem ist that you have to split the two cores that are= twisted with each other. Just take a fishing swivel, a bit of oil, tw= o empty reels, a good friend and some bottles of beer to the next socc= er field. Fix the one end of the field wire with the fishing swivel.= You can now reel the single lines and the swishing swivel will turn= and turn. After a while you should give a bit of oil on it. Otherwise= the swivel will stop and the lines will be twisted more than before. vy73 Horst DO1KHS/DI2AN =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ Von: Tony Baldwin Gesendet: 24.06.2010 17:10:17 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Antenna wire Sorry to ask a stupid newbie question but what is the best wire fo= r my aerial ? I had thought about getting a couple of 100m rolls of cheapo RG58= and soldering the centre and screen together, or is there a better wa= y ? Tony, EI8JK =20 =20 WEB.DE DSL ab 19,99 Euro/Monat. Bis zu 150,- Euro Startguthabe= n und =20 50,- Euro Geldpr=C3=A4mie inklusive! https://freundschaftswerb= ung.web.de=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01CB145F.6FC57010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tony, If you  need a  long= wire ,=20
 
Check out the  telephone install= ers , I found=20 a  trade supplier that was nearly  half the  e-bay = ; price=20 for  a  drum of N-10  drop  wire , a 250  mtr= =20 roll  came the  next day , depends on the  intended&nbs= p; span ,=20 700  ft in this case ..
 
But , long low wires or  loops= do not =20 give the  expected performance , as Mr M pointed out a  whil= e ago,=20 but  as the  Ae I have  at  'fpr are  about= 90 =20 feet  above the  ground and  surrounded  by salt&n= bsp; water=20 , the  Q seems to be quite  good , even  as the = loop =20 is closer to the  fort, a few 1000 tons of  yellow sandstone= ,I do not=20 think its  particularly damped, quite  reactive on HF=
 
Depends on the  band and the&nbs= p; space=20 ?
 
G .

Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Antenna wire

Would welding wire do, the CO2 weldin= g wire about=20 1mm copper coated steel wire ?
That I already have a roll of and it'= s available in=20 Lidl this week.
Tony, EI8JK.
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Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010= 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Antenna wire=

Von: Tony Baldwin <ei8jk@o2.ie>
Gesendet:= 24.06.2010=20 17:10:17
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff:= LF:=20 Antenna wire

Sorry= to ask a=20 stupid newbie question but what is the best wire for my aerial=20 ?
I had= =20 thought about getting a couple of 100m rolls of cheapo= RG58 and=20 soldering the centre and screen together, or is there a better way= =20 ?
Tony,= =20 EI8JK
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WEB.DE=20 DSL ab 19,99 Euro/Monat. Bis zu 150,- Euro Startguthaben und= =20    
50,- Euro Geldpr=C3=A4mie inklusive!=20 https://freundschaftswerbung.web.de
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