Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDB034-ade4ab77c7f32b; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:16:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB084-ade4ab77c7f32b; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:15:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MpijK-0003UD-Kr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:14:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MpijK-0003U4-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:14:58 +0100 Received: from smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mpii9-00086d-Ip for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:13:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 55489 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2009 13:14:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=d3FDBOxLPQlxkj6tdN2z50ZmrPwMXUcRmT3ElSLZz6iV+W4SdsACUnGRTTfSGa59IdhB/gEvh6jn2jsxkByeJCKx5OBz31ZC2iHz/WY+kXIxn3qI3UaIYDGL52VbYIiO8tszgCElWDlq92Tg/Vgmqa3Aw9bgCuIjZ6v6PKPfYO4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.179.30.41 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2009 13:14:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: fvrd0vEVM1mt5hw26JQ3Yti3SVAKYTOxK_o6VLamJO5QGbHY_LS.n5bta_.k4ZezSJjzAAmGPARwqrkD6cAeGTeKiIjxRRBPWtb95yfVLVZ0a1EUY97qsseMSa2p_WzgkLd3xjjqaVHBDb9pfUTXw4_PVRTjGFIu7bjYN0Ypb1sfwJhtjFUnXD_pLusUaNvgpj3tM5xjS4ERZ7ytD1pyzL3Y1WwHW4V7kqBPeRH4LS3eFSyUAvubacmVpl_Iiku_WrexhStAda8M0WJFMDE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <47C531A902A946C9BE2EEC5C6B7E2EF3@presario1> In-Reply-To: <47C531A902A946C9BE2EEC5C6B7E2EF3@presario1> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:14:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: US 500-kHz band plan Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, I still haven't replied to Fritz Raab, W1FR, regarding the WD2XSH US band plan which he is apparently coordinating - you may remember I posted the US proposals, which he sent me, a couple of weeks ago, but have not received any comments from other UK/Eu stations. I think I should reply with something, so now is your chance... The proposal relates to the US allocation extending to 495 - 515kHz, and how that would fit in with current UK and Eu beacon operations. The content of the e-mail is below. The issue is that they would like to make a 501.0 - 501.2kHz WSPR sub-band, to fit in with the various other proposals. Various other types of beacon modes are allocated frequencies outside the UK/EI/ON 501 - 504kHz range, while 501.2 - 504kHz is allocated to "general comms". Retaining frequencies just below 504kHz would divide their "general comms" band in two I don't think there is anything preventing us from doing this, it is just the inconvenience of turning the current band "upside-down". Let me know what you think! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU >>>From W1FR: Greetings: Thanks for the comments on the band plan, passed along to me by W1XP. About a month ago, a modification to the WD2XSH license was approved that adds stations and gives us access to 495 - 510 kHz. Perhaps half of the 42 stations will eventually get on the air. Because of NDBs, some stations are limited to parts of this band and we will have two calling frequencies and two beacon bands. A draft of our new band plan follows. Of particular interest is WSPR. As I see it, our options are: (a) 501.0-501.2: Conveniently on one side of our comms band. Will not overload WSPR receivers near 504 kHz. Apparently in EU CW-beacon band. (b) 503.8-504.0: Apparently same as what you guys are using. Cuts our comms band in the middle. Nearby stations may overload US receivers trying to hear EUs. (c) 503.9-504.1: Same problems as above with cutting comms band in two and overloading. Conveniently straddles both G/ON/EI and Canadian bands. Any further thoughts you may have will be appreciated. 73, Fritz, W1FR Frederick H. (Fritz) Raab, Ph.D. GREEN MOUNTAIN RADIO RESEARCH COMPANY 77 Vermont Avenue, Fort Ethan Allen Colchester, Vermont 05446 USA Tel./Fax.: +1 (802) 655-9670 Home: +1 (802) 862-0997 E-mail: f.raab@ieee.org BASIC BAND PLAN for WD2XSH f, kHz USE 495.0 - 495.1 QRSS, 1-Hz spacing, 40 stations 495.1 - 495.6 CW/PSK beacons midwest, 100-Hz spacing, 10 stations 495.6 - 499.0 Comms 497.5 Calling frequency 499.0 - 501.0 Reserved for heritage stations and special events 501.0 - 501.2 WSPR 501.2 - 505.0 Comms 505.0 - 505.2 DX window 505.2 - 508.5 Comms 507.5 Calling frequency 508.5 - 510.0 CW/PSK beacons east, south, west, Pacific, 50-Hz spacing, 30 stations 510.0 - 511.0 WE2XGR beacons 511.0 - 515.0 WE2XGR SSB and wideband modes OTHER IN-BAND SIGNALS 503.976 NEED LSB 505.0 NEED carrier 506.024 NEED USB 508.976 OF/FA LSB 510.0 OF/FA carrier 511.024 OF/FA USB