Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG044-9f2497b8cff1db; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:50:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG014-9f2497b8cff1db; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:50:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LQqLq-0000LT-WC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:47:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LQqLq-0000LK-Je for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:47:38 +0000 Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LQqLl-00012g-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:47:38 +0000 Received: from DR2 ([71.184.212.10]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KDZ00EHPWIHZT72@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:47:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:46:28 -0500 From: "dave.riley3" To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20090124210902.238d2d83@lurcher> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: Grabbers Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 DI2AM 505.180 Q5 on ARGO now @ 2143Z Still very sunlit outside with 5 minutes left till sundown... Yea 600M, more beacons please.!!. SK6RUD has been much stronger lately on 500.001kc. Big wire loops are in... I forgot to mention no need for lossy loading coils as another pro... Cons anyone?? TNX de Dave @ WD2XSH/17 FN42pb ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P-G" To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: LF: Grabbers > Hello LF, > > I find it strange that the number of grabbers active should be used as a > measure of the conditions and activity levels of the LF bands. > > Surely died in the wool "real radio amateurs" - who eschew all operation > except manual telegraphy - should care not a jot if anyone has a grabber > online or not? > > If this is the "peak season" for DX then grabbers and other > computerized aids should be superfluous, and the keen DX hunters should > be rattling away on their keys having lots of real QSOs, not surfing > the internet looking at online waterfall screens. > > It seems to me that those who run grabbers and suchlike can't win, in > the eyes of the "real CW men". > > Those that provide these facilities are generally derided for spoiling > the traditions of aurally received, manually sent, telegraphy with their > computerized appliances. > > When these "appliance operators" apply themselves to other areas of > interest, and leave the LF field bereft of grabbers, they are again > derided for removing a useful tool for the "DX hunting CW man". > > Talk about double standards! > > John GM4SLV >