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Content preview: Bob We need the local decodes from Wolf , they have the fade pattern plotted out , the web linked plots have the fade % but not the distribution Op is giving a calibrated precision s/n level average along the time line , so what your getting is accurate propagation data , you can recover it from the psk-map data base with a web sql search , or keep the Opera software running on a web linked PC and any band activity will be listed [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 7069827c55388ac06c5459121b1367c5 Subject: Re: LF: OP65 late start for tonight-73 dial as usual... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01CEF693.CD2FA440" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2509 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CEF693.CD2FA440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob We need the local decodes from Wolf , they have the fade pattern = plotted out , the web linked plots have the fade % but not the = distribution=20 Op is giving a calibrated precision s/n level average along = the time line , so what your getting is accurate propagation data , = you can recover it from the psk-map data base with a web sql = search , or keep the Opera software running on a web linked PC = and any band activity will be listed =20 The total lack of signal in the Uk is not expected ! but last = night , you could of dropped to 10% power , which , considering = the wavelength , from the same Ae , starts to point to better prop = than 136 ? odd , the path would support OP16 at that level = as well at full power ! 73-G,=20 From: Bob Raide=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:48 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: OP65 late start for tonight-73 dial as usual... G; Take a look at Henny's capture and see earlier signal. Compare with = Hartmut's capture that shows more signal later. All in all the band was = good but varies as to when it peaks in a given area. Hartmut and Henny and a few others have hot antennas and receivers. = Hartmut uses a directional ant. Do some write-ups on these hot-shot = blokes and there equipment. They have very serious 73 band equipment = that really "cuts the mustard". Bob =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:49:37 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: OP65 late start for tonight-73 dial as usual... This new fangled 75KHz stuff , Gary , its going strait over our = heads .... =20 G,=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:10 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: OP65 late start for tonight-73 dial as usual... Oooopps !! >>The Alan, G3NYK & original....... Sorry, typo :- Should be :- Alan, G3NYK & original...... 73, de Gary - G4WGT =20 MF-LF-VLF Grabber : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/index.html .On 11/12/2013 13:29, Gary - G4WGT wrote: Graham, Bob. I agree, skip looks likely or something similar. I have not had a glimpse of any of Bob's or Dex's signals & as you = know I was first to set up a 24/7 grabber for 74kHz. The Alan, G3NYK & original UK 73kHz chaps should be able to help here = with a reason ! 73, de Gary - G4WGT =20 MF-LF-VLF Grabber : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/index.html .On 11/12/2013 11:33, Graham wrote: Bob=20 3 LF Guys in the UK still no show , but Wolf , up to -35 dB , = looks like the hat trick , 3 in a row .. -35 is a significant = signal , at that level OP16 would decode , g4wgt/g0ktn/g8huh all = have good LF set ups , -35 is 9 dB over the op65 level ...=20 Skip distance ? , where is Alan when you need him hihi 73, G, -36 OPERA 0.073 11/12/2013 02:22 WG4XRS FN12LQ DL-SWL JO52HP=20 -35 OPERA 0.073 11/12/2013 03:27 WG4XRS FN12LQ DL-SWL JO52HP=20 -41 OPERA 0.073 11/12/2013 04:33 WG4XRS FN12LQ DL-SWL JO52HP=20 Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC)=20 WG4XRS DL-SWL 4000m OPERA 3880 miles 04:33:32=20 WG4XRS K3SIW-2 4000m OPERA 580 miles 06:44:56=20 WG4XRS K3SIW-1 4000m OPERA 580 miles 06:44:58=20 WG4XRS W3NF 4000m OPERA 233 miles 02:22:06=20 G0KTN G0KTN 4000m OPERA 0 kms 08:09:46=20 G8HUH G8HUH 4000m OPERA 0 kms 08:09:09=20 KU7Z KU7Z 4000m OPERA 0 miles 08:00:48=20 G4WGT G4WGT 4000m OPERA 0 kms 10:48:35=20 W3NF W3NF 4000m OPERA 0 miles 02:16:28=20 K3SIW K3SIW 4000m OPERA 0 miles 21:07:23=20 WG4XRS WG4XRS 4000m OPERA 0 miles 06:54:11=20 VE7BDQ VE7BDQ 4000m OPERA 0 kms 09:09:11=20 K3SIW-1 K3SIW-1 4000m OPERA 0 miles 08:34:59=20 K3SIW-2 K3SIW-2 4000m OPERA 0 miles 09:14:57=20 From: Bob Raide=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:52 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Bob Raide=20 Subject: LF: OP65 late start for tonight-73 dial as usual... OP/OPDS65 tonight as promised and WSPR 15 tomorrow night. Thanks to = W1VD and group for decodes to get me dialed in-should be interesting = tomorrow night for first time on WSPR 15 on 73 band full night-73-Bob = WG2XRS/4 [WG4XRS] NY=20 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6909 - Release Date: = 12/10/13 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6909 - Release Date: = 12/10/13 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CEF693.CD2FA440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob
 
We need  the  local  = decodes  from=20 Wolf , they have the  fade pattern  plotted  out , = the  web=20 linked  plots  have the  fade %  but  not = the =20 distribution
Op is  giving a  = calibrated  =20 precision  s/n  level   average  = along =20 the  time  line , so  what your getting  is=20 accurate  propagation data , you  can  recover it from = the =20 psk-map  data base with a  web  sql   search , = or =20 keep  the  Opera  software  running  on a  = web=20 linked  PC and  any  band  activity  will  = be  listed 
 
The total  lack  of  signal in = the Uk is=20 not  expected !  but  last  night , you  = could =20 of  dropped  to   10% power , which  ,=20 considering  the  wavelength , from the  same Ae  ,=20 starts  to  point to better  prop  than 136 ? =20 odd  ,  the  path  would  support  = OP16 =20 at  that  level  as well at  full  power = !
 
73-G,
 

From: Bob Raide
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:48 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: RE: LF: OP65 late start for tonight-73 dial as=20 usual...

G;
Take a look at Henny's capture and see earlier = signal. =20 Compare with Hartmut's capture that shows more signal later.  = All in=20 all the band was good but varies as to when it peaks in a given = area.
Hartmut=20 and Henny and a few others have hot antennas and receivers.  = Hartmut=20 uses a directional ant.  Do some write-ups on these = hot-shot blokes=20 and there equipment.  They have very serious 73 band equipment = that really "cuts the mustard". Bob
 
From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wed,=20 11 Dec 2013 14:49:37 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: OP65 late start for = tonight-73=20 dial as usual...

This  new  fangled  75KHz stuff  , Gary , its=20 going  strait  over  our  heads  ....  =
 
G,

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:10 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: OP65 late start for tonight-73 dial as=20 usual...

Oooopps !!

>>The Alan, = G3NYK &=20 original.......

Sorry, typo :-
Should be :- Alan, G3NYK &=20 original......

73, de Gary - =
G4WGT
                           =20
MF-LF-VLF Grabber : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html
Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/index.html

.
On 11/12/2013 13:29, Gary - G4WGT wrote:
Graham, Bob.

I  agree, = skip looks=20 likely or something similar.
I have not had a glimpse of any of = Bob's or=20 Dex's signals & as you know I was first to set up a 24/7 grabber = for=20 74kHz.

The Alan, G3NYK & original UK 73kHz chaps should be = able to=20 help here with a reason !

73, =
de Gary - G4WGT
                           =20
MF-LF-VLF Grabber : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html
Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/index.html

.
On 11/12/2013 11:33, Graham wrote:
Bob
 
3 LF Guys in the  UK still  = no =20 show , but  Wolf  , up to  -35 dB , looks like = the  hat=20 trick  , 3  in a  row .. -35 is a  = significant =20 signal  , at that  level  OP16 would  decode = , =20 g4wgt/g0ktn/g8huh   all have  good  LF set ups=20 ,   -35  is 9 dB  over the  op65  = level ...=20
 
Skip distance ?  , where  is  = Alan  when you  need  him  hihi
 
73, G,
 
 
 
 
-36 OPERA 0.073 11/12/2013=20 02:22 WG4XRS FN12LQ DL-SWL JO52HP-35 OPERA 0.073 11/12/2013 = 03:27 WG4XRS FN12LQ DL-SWL JO52HP-41 OPERA 0.073 11/12/2013 = 04:33 WG4XRS FN12LQ DL-SWL JO52HP
 
 
Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC) WG4XRS DL-SWL 4000m OPERA 3880 miles 04:33:32 WG4XRS K3SIW-2 4000m OPERA 580 miles 06:44:56 WG4XRS K3SIW-1 4000m OPERA 580 miles 06:44:58 WG4XRS W3NF 4000m OPERA 233 miles 02:22:06 G0KTN G0KTN 4000m OPERA 0 kms 08:09:46 G8HUH G8HUH 4000m OPERA 0 kms 08:09:09 KU7Z KU7Z 4000m OPERA 0 miles 08:00:48 G4WGT G4WGT 4000m OPERA 0 kms 10:48:35 W3NF W3NF 4000m OPERA 0 miles 02:16:28 K3SIW K3SIW 4000m OPERA 0 miles 21:07:23 WG4XRS WG4XRS 4000m OPERA 0 miles 06:54:11 VE7BDQ VE7BDQ 4000m OPERA 0 kms 09:09:11 K3SIW-1 K3SIW-1 4000m OPERA 0 miles 08:34:59 K3SIW-2 K3SIW-2 4000m OPERA 0 miles 09:14:57
 
 

From: Bob Raide
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:52 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20 ; Bob Raide
Subject: LF: OP65 late start for tonight-73 dial as=20 usual...

OP/OPDS65 tonight as promised and WSPR 15 tomorrow = night. =20 Thanks to W1VD and group for decodes to get me dialed in-should = be=20 interesting tomorrow night for first time on WSPR 15 on 73 band full = night-73-Bob WG2XRS/4 [WG4XRS] NY

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - = www.avg.com
Version:=20 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6909 - Release Date:=20 12/10/13


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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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