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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: But what are you sending with the reduced power rig ? SSB ... Normal CW Opera all have low duty cycles and result in low heat build up But if you running at 100% key down sending qrss and the like , then , yes the rig will heat up , in the early days I always though wspr should of been named Icarus , with the number of thermal run a ways caused by 100% duty over 120 seconds ( not a problem at Hf where power levels are low, but down here at 1:400 efficiency's = a lot of heat) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f1284eec928b6c66f973fc41cf683e42 Subject: Re: LF: TRANSVERTERS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01CDBC50.A31AA390" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc50995e193510 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CDBC50.A31AA390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But what are you sending with the reduced power rig ? SSB ... Normal CW Opera all have low duty cycles and = result in low heat build up But if you running at 100% key down sending qrss and the = like , then , yes the rig will heat up , in the early days I = always though wspr should of been named Icarus , with the = number of thermal run a ways caused by 100% duty over 120 seconds = ( not a problem at Hf where power levels are low, but down here = at 1:400 efficiency's =3D a lot of heat) The rig will have a class AB1 or similar PA with high = standing bias to reduce cross over distortion =3D splatter on ssb = , so standing dissipation will be high ..not much you can do ... = add a fan to cool the heat sink , but be careful of the thermal = gradients , out side cold , wont mean inside is also at the right = temp ..may still be very hot , if parasitic 'ambient' cooling = is part of the equation and the fan is only cooling the last = part of the heat path .. 73 -G.. From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 4:45 PM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: TRANSVERTERS RIG/TRANSVERTER HEAT I have noticed when running a Transceiver at low power for Transverter = or other use the Transceiver PA gets very HOT so it would appear that = this is an inefficient approach except the Transceiver has a dedicated = low power output. I was wondering what system was used to reduce this power. It would be = better to disable the PA and take the output from the driver stage. It is vy noticeable on an IC-706 de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CDBC50.A31AA390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.19328"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-TOP: = 15px"=20 id=3DMailContainerBody leftMargin=3D0 topMargin=3D0 bgColor=3D#ffffff=20 CanvasTabStop=3D"true" name=3D"Compose message area"> <DIV>But what are you sending with the = reduced=20 power rig ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SSB ... Normal CW = Opera =20 all have low duty cycles = and =20 result in low heat build up</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But if you running at 100% = key =20 down sending qrss and the like = ,=20 then , yes the rig will heat up , in = the =20 early days I always though wspr should = of =20 been named Icarus , with the =20 number of thermal run a ways caused = by 100%=20 duty over 120 seconds ( not a problem at = Hf=20 where power levels are low, but down = here =20 at 1:400 efficiency's =3D a lot of = heat)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The rig will have a class AB1 = or =20 similar PA with high standing bias = to =20 reduce cross over distortion =3D splatter on = ssb ,=20 so standing dissipation will be high ..not = much you can do ... add a fan = to =20 cool the heat sink , but be careful of the = thermal =20 gradients , out side cold , wont mean inside is=20 also at the right temp ..may still = be=20 very hot , if parasitic 'ambient' cooling = is =20 part of the equation and the fan is only = cooling =20 the last part of the heat path ..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> 73 -G..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20 title=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net CTRL + Click to follow link"=20 href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">mal hamilton</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 06, 2012 4:45 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: TRANSVERTERS</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial> RIG/TRANSVERTER = HEAT</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I have noticed when running a Transceiver at low = power for=20 Transverter or other use the Transceiver PA gets very HOT so it would = appear=20 that this is an inefficient approach except the Transceiver has a = dedicated low=20 power output.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was wondering what system was used to reduce = this power.=20 It would be better to disable the PA and take the output from the driver = stage.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It is vy noticeable on an IC-706</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>de G3KEV</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CDBC50.A31AA390--