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 Content preview:  But what are you sending with the reduced power rig ? SSB
   ... Normal CW Opera all have low duty cycles and result in low heat build
   up But if you running at 100% key down sending qrss and the like , then ,
   yes the rig will heat up , in the early days I always though wspr should of
    been named Icarus , with the number of thermal run a ways caused by 100%
   duty over 120 seconds ( not a problem at Hf where power levels are low, but
    down here at 1:400 efficiency's = a lot of heat) [...] 
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But what  are  you  sending  with the  reduced power   rig  ?

SSB  ...  Normal  CW    Opera   all  have   low   duty cycles   and  =
result  in low  heat  build  up

But if  you  running  at   100% key   down  sending   qrss  and  the  =
like   , then  , yes the  rig  will  heat  up , in the  early  days  I =
always though   wspr  should of  been   named  Icarus    , with the  =
number  of thermal  run a ways  caused  by   100% duty over  120 seconds =
  ( not  a  problem at Hf where  power  levels  are  low, but  down here =
 at   1:400  efficiency's  =3D a  lot of heat)

The  rig  will  have a  class  AB1  or  similar   PA  with  high  =
standing  bias to  reduce  cross over  distortion  =3D splatter  on ssb  =
, so  standing  dissipation  will  be  high ..not much  you  can  do ... =
 add  a  fan to   cool the  heat sink , but  be  careful of the  thermal =
 gradients  , out  side  cold , wont mean inside  is also  at the  right =
 temp  ..may  still  be very  hot , if  parasitic  'ambient'  cooling  =
is  part of the  equation  and the  fan is only  cooling  the  last  =
part of the  heat  path ..

 73 -G..




From: mal hamilton=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 4:45 PM
To: rsgb=20
Subject: LF: TRANSVERTERS


   RIG/TRANSVERTER HEAT
I have noticed when running a Transceiver at low power for Transverter =
or other use the Transceiver PA gets very HOT so it would appear that =
this is an inefficient approach except the Transceiver has a dedicated =
low power output.
I was wondering what system was used to reduce this power. It would be =
better to disable the PA and take the output from the driver stage.
It is vy noticeable on an IC-706

de G3KEV

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<DIV>But what&nbsp; are&nbsp; you&nbsp; sending&nbsp; with the&nbsp; =
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<DIV>SSB&nbsp; ...&nbsp; Normal&nbsp; CW&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Opera&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
all&nbsp; have&nbsp;&nbsp; low&nbsp;&nbsp; duty cycles&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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result&nbsp; in low&nbsp; heat&nbsp; build&nbsp;&nbsp;up</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>But if&nbsp; you&nbsp; running&nbsp; at&nbsp;&nbsp; 100% =
key&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
down&nbsp; sending&nbsp;&nbsp; qrss&nbsp; and&nbsp; the&nbsp; like&nbsp; =
&nbsp;,=20
then&nbsp; , yes the&nbsp; rig&nbsp; will&nbsp; heat&nbsp; up , in =
the&nbsp;=20
early&nbsp; days&nbsp; I always though&nbsp;&nbsp; wspr&nbsp; should =
of&nbsp;=20
been&nbsp;&nbsp; named&nbsp; Icarus&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;, with the&nbsp;=20
number&nbsp; of thermal&nbsp; run a ways&nbsp; caused&nbsp; =
by&nbsp;&nbsp; 100%=20
duty over&nbsp; 120 seconds&nbsp;&nbsp; ( not&nbsp; a&nbsp; problem at =
Hf=20
where&nbsp; power&nbsp; levels&nbsp; are&nbsp; low, but&nbsp; down =
here&nbsp;=20
at&nbsp;&nbsp; 1:400&nbsp; efficiency's&nbsp; =3D a&nbsp; lot of =
heat)</DIV>
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<DIV>The&nbsp; rig&nbsp; will&nbsp; have a&nbsp; class&nbsp; AB1&nbsp; =
or&nbsp;=20
similar&nbsp;&nbsp; PA&nbsp; with&nbsp; high&nbsp; standing&nbsp; bias =
to&nbsp;=20
reduce&nbsp; cross over&nbsp; distortion&nbsp; =3D splatter&nbsp; on =
ssb&nbsp; ,=20
so&nbsp; standing&nbsp; dissipation&nbsp; will&nbsp; be&nbsp; high ..not =

much&nbsp; you&nbsp; can&nbsp; do ...&nbsp; add&nbsp; a&nbsp; fan =
to&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
cool the&nbsp; heat sink , but&nbsp; be&nbsp; careful of the&nbsp; =
thermal&nbsp;=20
gradients&nbsp; , out&nbsp; side&nbsp; cold , wont mean inside&nbsp; is=20
also&nbsp; at the&nbsp; right&nbsp; temp&nbsp; ..may&nbsp; still&nbsp; =
be=20
very&nbsp; hot , if&nbsp; parasitic&nbsp; 'ambient'&nbsp; cooling&nbsp; =
is&nbsp;=20
part of the&nbsp; equation &nbsp;and the&nbsp; fan is only&nbsp; =
cooling&nbsp;=20
the&nbsp; last&nbsp; part of the&nbsp; heat&nbsp; path ..</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;73 -G..</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net&#10;CTRL + Click to follow link"=20
href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">mal hamilton</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 06, 2012 4:45 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: TRANSVERTERS</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;RIG/TRANSVERTER =
HEAT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I have noticed when running a Transceiver at low =
power for=20
Transverter or other use the Transceiver PA gets very HOT so it would =
appear=20
that this is an inefficient approach except the Transceiver has a =
dedicated low=20
power output.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was wondering what system was used to reduce =
this power.=20
It would be better to disable the PA and take the output from the driver =

stage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It is vy noticeable on an IC-706</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>de G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
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