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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Not out of date as you suggest. I have a couple of Humax digital boxes for my Freesat TV reception also I can receive AO100 on my 1.2 metre dish feeding the LNB output to a RTL dongle and computer wit [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.135.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: aefd9a2840b8183a225e05cdb844feaf Subject: Re: Not LF: Opera via QO-100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01D4D439.1E08BAE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01D4D439.1E08BAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not out of date as you suggest. I have a couple of Humax digital boxes = for my Freesat TV reception also I can receive AO100 on my 1.2 metre = dish feeding the LNB output to a RTL dongle and computer with the = appropriate software. I also have a hi spec multi mode scanner covering = the desired frequencies. Some high spec satellite receivers currently available provide the = option of Digital or Analogue reception. I do also have an old analogue satellite RX which has manual tuning and = two IF outputs suitable for add on devices or spectrum display.=20 I have a selection of HP mixers, low pass filters, and oscillator = modules all in the Ghz frequency range that i could use for the 2.4 Ghz = uplink and a 1.8metre prime focus dish. I have an abundance of equipment available for all occasions. I am well ahead of you with the knowledge and equipment required to put = a satellite communications system together. I have been communicating via satellites both commercially and amateur = since the OSCAR 6 era and was the only station to communicate via AO6 = between HONGKONG and MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA on CW right on the edge of the = satellite footprint with only a few seconds to make the QSO.=20 YOU ARE TALKING A LOT OF RUBBISH AS USUAL -------------THE PROVERBIAL = ALLIGATOR DE VS6HI/G3KEV From: Andy Talbot=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2019 2:27 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: Not LF: Opera via QO-100 You're a bit out of date with sat box info - no one uses analogue ones = any more with AFC . It's all digital now. To receive Eshail most people use somehting like an RTL Dongle or = Airspy SDR directly set to receive at 739MHz, which is the typical LNB = output for the sat downlink. You need a proper PLL LNB to get the stability needed for the narrowband = transponder - eg Octogon. ANd ideally with its LO locked see, for example http://g4jnt.com/PLL_LNB_Tests.pdf and = http://g4jnt.com/OctagonExtLo.pdf Or you can just listen to the downlink at https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/ Much info exchanged on https://groups.io/g/UKMicrowaves/topics Andy=20 www.g4jnt.com On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 13:56, mal hamilton wrote: Marku There must be a way to modify a satellite RX to receive the AO 100. = The SAT BOX would have AFC built in to avoid LNB drift in normal use.=20 One method would be to set up the RX box to analogue reception and = tune across the base band, another to tap off the IF 480 Mhz and tune = across the IF with a 70cms amateur RX or SDR dongle and computer Maybe someone has tried a similar method 73 de mal/g3kevr Fn rom: Markus Vester=20 Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 4:51 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: Not LF: Opera via QO-100 Hi Mal, my 2.4 GHz TX is fairly improvised and may not be easy to reproduce... = I've extracted the LO from an old Sat-TV receiver, followed by a small = Minicircuit amplifier and a 60 cm dish indoors. The PLL consists of the = 1/64 prescaler output fed to a CD4030 XOR phase comparator, along with a = 18.75082 MHz Rubidium-controlled reference.=20 There are surely much better ways to generate a decent 13 cm signal. = PA1SDB mentioned that he uses an Adalm-Pluto SDR from Analog Devices. You might be able to pick us up on the web-sdr, using 10489603.5 kHz = USB dial, and Opera SW set to Op-05 speed by selecting e.g. the 1296 MHz = band. Yes we could try a crossband contact, but not today. To count as a = valid QSO, we'd probably also need to set up our own receivers, both for = 10.5 GHz and 472 kHz. Best 73, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: mal hamilton An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 3. Mrz 2019 16:24 Betreff: Re: Not LF: Opera via QO-100 Markus=20 How about a XBAND qso AO100/MF on CW You TX via satellite to me and I tx on 472.5 Khz CW 73 de mal/g3kev From: Markus Vester=20 Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 1:44 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: pa1sdb@amsat.org=20 Subject: Not LF: Opera via QO-100 Listening to the below-mentioned Goonhilly web-sdr, I noticed an = interrupted carrier on 10489.605 MHz, which turned out to be 10 mW = Opera-2 and Opera-05 transmissions from PA1SDB. Peter has been well = known in the LF group for running a VLF-Grabber in Appingedam.=20 During the last week, I had managed to built a rudimentary but stable = 2.4 GHz CW transmitter, allowing me to add in another Opera signal on = Es'hail-2. Anyone else to join in?=20 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Verschickt: So, 17. Feb. 2019 22:21 Betreff: LF: MF/LF chat over QA-100 Geostationary Satellite ?=20 Hi All=20 May be someone has the equipment and is in the footprint of Es'Hail-2, = formely AMSAT QA-100 satellite? Nice place for chats working as an HF band permanently open and with = outstanding sensibility Anybody (appart from David, G0MRF) interested in joining an MF/LF/VLF = chat ? You need just an SSB rig at 144 or 432, an upconverter to 2.4GHz and a = WiFi PA and antenna and you are in For Rx you can even use the WebSDR at Goonhilly https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/ Unfortunately the footprint of the satellite do not cover America = (only the extreme East of Brazil) nor Australia (reaching up to thailand). But sites like Reunion are in = the footprint 73 de Luis EA5DOM ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01D4D439.1E08BAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not out of date as you suggest. I have a couple of Humax digital = boxes for=20 my Freesat TV reception also I can receive AO100 on my 1.2 metre dish = feeding=20 the LNB output to a RTL dongle and computer with the appropriate = software. I=20 also have a hi  spec multi mode scanner covering the desired=20 frequencies.
Some high spec satellite receivers currently available provide the = option=20 of Digital or Analogue reception.
I do also have an old analogue satellite RX which has manual tuning = and two=20 IF outputs suitable for add on devices or spectrum display.
I have a selection of HP mixers, low pass filters, and oscillator = modules=20 all in the Ghz frequency range that i could use for the 2.4 Ghz uplink = and a=20 1.8metre prime focus dish.
I have an abundance of equipment available for all occasions.
I am well ahead of you with the knowledge and equipment required to = put a=20 satellite communications system together.
I have been communicating  via satellites both commercially = and=20 amateur since the OSCAR 6 era and was the only station to communicate = via AO6=20 between HONGKONG and MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA on CW right on the edge of the=20 satellite footprint with only a few seconds to make the QSO.
 
 
YOU ARE TALKING A LOT OF RUBBISH AS USUAL -------------THE = PROVERBIAL=20 ALLIGATOR
 
DE VS6HI/G3KEV
 
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2019 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Not LF: Opera via QO-100
 
You're a bit = out of=20 date with sat box info - no one uses analogue ones any more with AFC = . =20 It's all digital now.
 
To receive = Eshail most=20 people use somehting like an  RTL Dongle or Airspy SDR  = directly set=20 to receive at 739MHz, which is the typical LNB  output for the sat=20 downlink.
You need a = proper PLL=20 LNB to get the stability needed for the narrowband transponder - eg=20 Octogon.  ANd ideally with its LO locked
see, for = example http://g4jnt.com/PLL_LNB_Test= s.pdf =20 and http://g4jnt.com/OctagonExtLo.= pdf
 
Or you can = just listen=20 to the downlink at https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/
 
Much info = exchanged on=20 https://groups.io/g/UKMi= crowaves/topics
 
 
Andy=20
 
 
 
On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 13:56, mal = hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Marku
There must be a way to modify a satellite RX to receive the AO = 100. The=20 SAT BOX would have AFC built in to avoid LNB drift in normal use. =
One method would be to set up the RX box to analogue reception = and tune=20 across the base band, another to tap off the IF 480 Mhz and tune = across the IF=20 with a 70cms amateur RX or SDR dongle and computer
Maybe someone has tried a similar method
73 de mal/g3kevr
 
Fn rom: Markus Vester =
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Not LF: Opera via QO-100
 
Hi=20 Mal,

my 2.4 GHz TX is fairly = improvised and may=20 not be easy to reproduce... I've extracted the LO from an old Sat-TV = receiver,=20 followed by a small Minicircuit amplifier and a 60 cm dish indoors. = The PLL=20 consists of the 1/64 prescaler output fed to a CD4030 XOR phase = comparator,=20 along with a 18.75082 MHz Rubidium-controlled reference.
There are surely much better ways to generate a = decent 13 cm=20 signal. PA1SDB mentioned that he uses an Adalm-Pluto SDR from Analog=20 Devices.

You might be able to pick us up on the = web-sdr,=20 using 10489603.5 kHz USB dial, and Opera SW set to Op-05 speed by = selecting=20 e.g. the 1296 MHz band. Yes we could try a crossband contact, but not = today.=20 To count as a valid QSO, we'd probably also need to set up our own = receivers,=20 both for 10.5 GHz and 472 kHz.

Best = 73,Markus
 

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: mal hamilton=20 <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
An: = rsgb_lf_group=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt:=20 So, 3. Mrz 2019 16:24
Betreff: Re: Not LF: Opera via = QO-100
Markus
How about a XBAND qso AO100/MF on CW
You TX via satellite to me and I tx on 472.5 Khz CW
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 1:44 PM
Subject: Not LF: Opera via QO-100
 
Listening=20 to the below-mentioned Goonhilly web-sdr, I noticed an interrupted = carrier on=20 10489.605 MHz, which turned out to be 10 mW Opera-2 and Opera-05 = transmissions=20 from PA1SDB. Peter has been well known in the LF group for running a=20 VLF-Grabber in Appingedam.

During = the last week,=20 I had managed to built a rudimentary but stable 2.4 GHz CW = transmitter,=20 allowing me to add in another Opera signal on Es'hail-2. Anyone else = to join=20 in?

Best 73,
Markus = (DF6NM)
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche = Mitteilung-----Von: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez <luis@vigilant.es>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt:=20 So, 17. Feb. 2019 22:21
Betreff: LF: MF/LF chat over = QA-100=20 Geostationary Satellite ?

Hi=20 All=20
 
May be someone has the equipment and is in the footprint of = Es'Hail-2,=20 formely AMSAT QA-100 satellite?
Nice place for chats working as an HF band permanently open and = with=20 outstanding sensibility
 
Anybody (appart from David, G0MRF) interested in joining an = MF/LF/VLF=20 chat ?
 
You need just an SSB rig at 144 or 432, an upconverter to 2.4GHz = and a=20 WiFi PA and antenna and you are in
For Rx you can even use the WebSDR at Goonhilly

Unfortunately the footprint of = the=20 satellite do not cover America (only the extreme East of = Brazil)
nor Australia (reaching up to = thailand).=20 But sites like Reunion are in the footprint

73 de Luis
EA5DOM=20 =
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