Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 104; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u0TNmM9D028220 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:48:22 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1aPIiO-0006zE-CI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 23:44:32 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1aPIiN-0006yw-Rw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 23:44:31 +0000 Received: from rgout0306.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aPIhT-0004J3-2Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 23:44:30 +0000 X-OWM-Source-IP: 81.151.235.197 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090201.56ABF919.001A,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=40/50,refid=2.7.2:2016.1.13.105717:17:40.733,ip=81.151.235.197,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __PHISH_FROM2, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY, __CTYPE_MULTIPART, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __FRAUD_BODY_WEBMAIL, __URI_NO_WWW, __URI_NO_PATH, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, SUPERLONG_LINE, __HTML_AHREF_TAG, __HAS_HTML, HTML_NO_HTTP, BODY_SIZE_4000_4999, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_10000_LESS, __MIME_HTML, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML, __RATWARE_SIGNATURE_3_N1, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, __URI_NS, SXL_IP_DYNAMIC[197.235.151.81.fur], HTML_50_70, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, __PHISH_FROM, __OUTLOOK_MUA, RDNS_SUSP, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS, REFERENCES, NO_URI_HTTPS X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from gnat (81.151.235.197) by rgout03.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 568E39A30290C9E0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 23:43:21 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1454111015; bh=Hx7LFwyHOaw19O+Wuk7KPaOTKeUelVQmjAMh1v2UlGE=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=ijvOfukUhK6qAx0KaK2t07hwYebEBnY+TbZIhZ7xXgm7mnr2dvIZqE/6AFWxlQCpRVOP9HFDObruNAOeJCRL/zTWDZMbD/C4BzP5IbSlTCLRE73zxBYXvUnUH17+D0QGTnppXe/4Z1XpBYWxpss9z3gA69d53Wr8EmAC5kDASKM= Message-ID: From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 23:13:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: 318d3d373f5ffaa82e0969bd1985b258 Subject: LF: Re: MF powerful Beacon in Poland? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01D15AEA.B43256A0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6550 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01D15AEA.B43256A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Richard the thinking on permanent high erp beacons has for some long = time on these narrow LF/MF bands is that they are not really needed now = and if installed make receiving weak DX stations more difficult for = others. My own thought is that you are in the wrong place.....too near = the centre of activity. A beacon to be useful needs to be at the = perifery of operation. I would venture that within Europe it has no real = utility. Now a station like that making contacts on CW and other modes = would be welcomed I am sure. 50m is still "low" for a dipole and the "T" configuration would work = better at that height. Others may have different views :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard S=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:04 PM Subject: LF: MF powerful Beacon in Poland? Hi, If a chance arose for a powerful traditional MF beacon in Poland would = it be of interest, or has WSPR done away with the need for traditional = beacons? By powerful, it would be meant the full legal limit (1w!) into a half = wave dipole mounted high above ground level (minimum 50m, but possibly = in excess of 100m). Your thoughts gentlemen 73s Richard SO5GB ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01D15AEA.B43256A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Richard the thinking on permanent = high erp=20 beacons has for some long time on these narrow LF/MF bands is that they = are not=20 really needed now and if installed make receiving weak DX stations more=20 difficult for others. My own thought is that you are in the wrong = place.....too=20 near the centre of activity. A beacon to be useful needs to be at the = perifery=20 of operation. I would venture that within Europe it has no real utility. = Now a=20 station like that making contacts on CW and other modes would be = welcomed I am=20 sure.
 
50m is still "low" for a dipole and the = "T"=20 configuration would work better at that height.
 
Others may have different views = :-))
Alan
G3NYK
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From:=20 Richard S
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 = 10:04=20 PM
Subject: LF: MF powerful Beacon = in=20 Poland?

Hi,
If a chance arose for a powerful traditional MF = beacon in=20 Poland would it be of interest, or has WSPR done away with the need = for=20 traditional beacons?

By powerful, it would be meant the full legal limit (1w!) into a = half=20 wave dipole mounted high above ground level (minimum 50m, but possibly = in=20 excess of 100m).

Your thoughts gentlemen

73s
Richard SO5GB
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