Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.213]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMB032-a21d4b8ac2632ae; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:22:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BC22C380000A6; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NlohP-0000M8-FZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:21:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NlohO-0000Lz-T4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:21:06 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com ([209.85.218.215]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NlohM-0001JM-E1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:21:06 +0000 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so1252512bwz.4 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:20:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ugbVIlsMkI5sjm76ZgnI2t5z9TDqkjKEM1WpX1BL49w=; b=T2Ucl2jGvBx9Jve8AGapRGi9fpYeqFCAHuJ8k9oQvVo39CWrd7ZCV3lGwCP4fRty/J tTJFcYInWJsYsawbMgGIsI52j2TBdi35j62sZt2R19wqVxKsyx5ziiUJDEGfGJSkNk3E GewmcdD1fnpapICXUGRiBraCSPTS40fmZkATU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DXalHYfmv39x94mTBFhBNFYGSNZHXEwBK0QfLDH6j9mZe5HODGy5oPyZR3gsgLUFuj v3sNnC9JYqzVtP2q0BiBiS3CJPn4F7C50rBCA42vIUJNy2fQLckJcOMeRzY3MFrDrnnb 2IN/UQNrUixuqOk/iyVDEg202PWtz/vy4luKI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.48.202 with SMTP id s10mr2331735bkf.34.1267384853647; Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:20:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <003201cab8a5$fac09480$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B21@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <8F98AB84B99B4DC1BBD55E264D6FC983@Black> <000d01cab88f$63d380c0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <4B8A9A8A.5070708@dsl.pipex.com> <9afca2641002280939uee04262gebe0e4b67b5b6607@mail.gmail.com> <003201cab8a5$fac09480$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:20:53 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641002281120h9184aeeg71f65a50b796f219@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: VLF TX experiments this sunday Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555bd7efed33e0480ae0731 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d226.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d54b8ac2612522 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555bd7efed33e0480ae0731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, If people wish to experiment and find out for themselves how well, or indeed how badly, an amateur VLF system works then what is wrong with that? Even you must agree that it is by experimenting that we learn. The discussion on the <9kHz subject has opened our eyes to the real possibility that at least some well equipped stations really could work over 100kms. You are probably one of the best equipped LF stations in the UK, so why don't YOU have a go below 9kHz and share your experiences with us all? I am sure many in the UK would appreciate this. What is more you would almost certainly add a few more firsts to your impressive list. 73s Roger G3XBM On 28 February 2010 18:42, mal hamilton wrote: > Roger > Most of those talking/dreaming about 9 kcs cannot get a signal out beyond > their own back yard on 500 or 137 so it would be FOOLISH for those persons > to attempt 9 kcs but DREAM ON. > Have you noticed the BIG players on LF/MF are not contermplating joining > the Dreamers. > G3KEV > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:39 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: VLF TX experiments this sunday > > Marcus et al, > > Good luck to all those experimenting below 9kHz. I intend to have a go > myself shortly but running modest powers. I don't expect great DX but will > be intrigued to see how far I get with a QRSS or WSPR beacon. Even a few kms > will be fun. > > Mal enjoys making a complete fool of himself and has few constructive > comments to make about anything. Most here just ignore his inane comments > and feel rather sorry for him. Psychologists would put it down to attention > seeking. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > On 28 February 2010 17:00, Markus Vester wrote: > >> Don't worry Tim. Knowing Mal's humorous way of expressing his views, we >> definitely see his interest in the matter as a positive encouragement. >> >> And, best of all, it's fun. >> >> Best 73, >> Markus, DF6NM >> >> >> *From:* tim hague >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:32 PM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: Re: VLF TX experiments this sunday >> >> Why is there such derision about experimentation?, I for one am looking >> forward to the results of these tests. I am sure that comments like this >> from the UK do nothing to enhance our reputation among the greater amateur >> community. >> >> Tim M0AFJ >> mal hamilton wrote: >> > Pse qsp to Stefan to SHOUT from his hill top and face DOWN wind for an >> > extra 23 dB. If all 9 DREAMERS face his direction records could be >> > broken without the KITE, >> > Do not break WIND to avoid QRM during the listening period. >> > >> > G3KEV >> > ..... >> > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555bd7efed33e0480ae0731 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

If people wish to experiment and find out for themselves how= well, or indeed how badly, an amateur VLF system works then what is wrong= with that? Even you must agree that it is by experimenting that we learn.=

The discussion on the <9kHz subject has opened our eyes to the real= possibility that at least some well equipped stations really could work= over 100kms. You are probably one of the best equipped LF stations in the= UK, so why don't YOU have a go below 9kHz and share your experiences= with us all? I am sure many in the UK would appreciate this. What is more= you would almost certainly add a few more firsts to your impressive list.=

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 28 Feb= ruary 2010 18:42, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
Roger
Most of those talking/dreaming about= 9 kcs cannot=20 get a signal out beyond their own back yard on 500 or 137 so=A0it would be= =20 FOOLISH for those persons to attempt 9 kcs but DREAM ON.
Have you noticed the BIG players on= LF/MF are not=20 contermplating joining the Dreamers.
G3KEV
=A0
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: VLF TX expe= riments=20 this sunday

Marcus et al,

Good luck to all those experimenting= below=20 9kHz. I intend to have a go myself shortly but running modest powers. I= don't=20 expect great DX but will be intrigued to see how far I get with a QRSS= or WSPR=20 beacon. Even a few kms will be fun.

Mal enjoys making a complete= fool=20 of himself and has few constructive comments to make about anything. Mos= t here=20 just ignore his inane comments and feel rather sorry for him. Psychologi= sts=20 would put it down to attention seeking.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 28 February 2010 17:00, Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>=20 wrote:
Don't worry Tim. Knowing Mal's humorous way of expressing hi= s views, we definitely see=20 his=A0interest in the matter as a positive encouragement.
=A0
And, best of all,=A0it's fun.=
=A0
Best 73,
Markus, DF6NM
=A0

From: tim hague
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: VLF TX experiments this=20 sunday

Why is there such derision about experimentation?, I for one am= looking=20 forward to the results of these tests. I am sure that comments like th= is=20 from the UK do nothing to enhance our reputation among the greater ama= teur=20 community.

Tim M0AFJ
mal hamilton wrote:
> Pse qsp to Stefan to SHOUT from his= hill=20 top and face DOWN wind for an
> extra 23 dB. If all 9 DREAMERS= face=20 his direction records could be
> broken without the KITE,
&g= t; Do=20 not break WIND to avoid QRM during the listening period.
>=A0=20
> G3KEV
>=A0 .....

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