Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.146]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINME102-8bc54b8404ba5a; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:39:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A6B5E38000077; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:39:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Njxm5-0002F4-9b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:38:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Njxm4-0002Ev-PV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:38:16 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com ([209.85.218.215]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Njxm2-0005Et-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:38:16 +0000 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so2815062bwz.4 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:38:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NHuh44ai00Ensi+hy/vbwHcW0iQz0GuRZ3HOAJjz6VM=; b=KUonewdFtz+Qg0MMo8dmhvQTwp1TH4ZpoaWkoPZOW1OowZV/jvughY5haRKFsui8LW ke7N7X9jR0rX5RKB7ZTvYWmI672sATxFsThSAIaLeIfEuiOk0YUC41iq38614X32GjVe D2k5hggGSqWMoSJxkJ4JWZgtaWoApqEQFMDao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wPeG4DWPylFCLetlxiHPLMdl8/kifvRHjYGHRpAn3awxfjXVxPJPKsAT1T0g6IczQV oIh+slsiPiePCTJlUBj8ezkdLShzgaWazbmJsKW/jCvXEmwUUNnKNHcwFRAW22aR6j6j kPiZpPViNavW+jv8+z1/GvJyP9LVWz8O2rVuw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.36.82 with SMTP id s18mr1146765bkd.94.1266943087051; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:38:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <001401cab497$85c1ea60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <001401cab497$85c1ea60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:38:06 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641002230838u68f9a31bw9b414fd655f2af13@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DATA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555e862a784580480472c75 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d303.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60924b8404b87d45 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555e862a784580480472c75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, G7NKS has largely echoed my views on your email. Yes, HF conditions have been getting better. VK9 was worked on 10m from the UK today (on CW and *not* by me). I was able to decode the 1W WSPR signals on 10m from V53ARC (running just 1W) this morning and from FR1GZ (10W) yesterday. WSPR is hugely helpful in propagation testing on the higher HF bands and does not need much power. There is *lots* of WSPR activity on HF, although more on 10m would be useful to help seek out fleeting openings. PSK31 is widely used of course. Regarding <9kHz, clearly it is very unlikely any great distances will be spanned, but there is much that can be learned from such experiments. I have experimented with this in the past and hope to do so again soon, but using the best weak signal techniques this time. Your remarks about 500kHz "appliance operators" are not helpful. However, it's a free country and you're entitled to express your views, even if we choose to differ. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 February 2010 14:50, mal hamilton wrote: > Generally band condx vy good at present from LF to HF as far as 24 Mcs. > Modes mostly CW and SSB world wide, some strong USA stns. > What is noticeable is the lack of Amtor, Pactor and packet transmissions > but RTTY seems to have survived over the years. > Observations indicate that data mode acty does not last long, the novelty > wares off, whereas the traditional modes CW, SSB and RTTY are still going > strong. > Some will argue that cw and rtty are data but I am referring to the fly by > night data modes Amtor, pactor, packet and all the JT, wspr etc, tuning > across the bands today I did not hear any of these modes. > Obviously the majority of ham operators are not interested. It would appear > MF attracts the Appliance Operator, and the 8.7739872 Kcs Dreamers!! > If you fancy your chances on VLF below 9 Kcs I will listen out. I have a > suitable RX and antenna. > Your observations ? > > de G3KEV > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555e862a784580480472c75 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

G7NKS has largely echoed my views on your email.

Yes,= HF conditions have been getting better. VK9 was worked on 10m from the UK= today (on CW and not by me). I was able to decode the 1W WSPR sign= als on 10m from V53ARC (running just 1W) this morning and from FR1GZ (10W)= yesterday. WSPR is hugely helpful in propagation testing on the higher HF= bands and does not need much power. There is lots of WSPR activity= on HF, although more on 10m would be useful to help seek out fleeting ope= nings. PSK31 is widely used of course.

Regarding <9kHz, clearly it is very unlikely any great distances wi= ll be spanned, but there is much that can be learned from such experiments= . I have experimented with this in the past and hope to do so again soon,= but using the best weak signal techniques this time.

Your remarks about 500kHz "appliance operators" are not help= ful.=A0 However, it's a free country and you're entitled to expres= s your views, even if we choose to differ.

73s
Roger G3XBM
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On 23 February 2010 14:50, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talkt= alk.net> wrote:
Generally band condx vy good at prese= nt from LF to=20 HF as far as 24 Mcs. Modes mostly CW and SSB world wide, some strong USA= =20 stns.
What is noticeable is the lack of Amt= or, Pactor and=20 packet transmissions but RTTY seems to have survived over the=20 years.
Observations indicate that data mode= acty does not=20 last long, the novelty wares off, whereas the traditional modes CW, SSB an= d RTTY=20 are still going strong.
Some will argue that cw and rtty are= data but I am=20 referring to the fly by night data modes Amtor, pactor, packet and all the= JT,=20 wspr etc, tuning across the bands today I did not hear any of these=20 modes.
Obviously the majority of ham operato= rs are not=20 interested. It would appear MF attracts the Appliance Operator, and the=20 8.7739872 Kcs Dreamers!!
If you fancy your chances on VLF belo= w 9 Kcs I will=20 listen out.=A0I have a suitable RX and antenna.
Your observations ?
=A0
de G3KEV
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