Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.89]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMF074-8bf44b82a3431b0; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:31:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9726B3800014A; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NjaE4-0001PT-PL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:29:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NjaE4-0001PK-BF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:29:36 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com ([209.85.218.215]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NjaE1-0002Q9-P9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:29:36 +0000 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so1760835bwz.4 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:29:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7UAbn2t3c8D0mAe1IT/PA/e5ozXkvWCvN2m/gVOVghI=; b=n8odVLL/dJs6RSBBDmYR/mmuK4ruIGLIxZKnK9myVxEiBJQj1JpgcS+wfJfZWhUMgc GTdsJvBpZc4a3fwr5fTqnhK9eayHh4D0NKg/wJm/nveeGuMyUxD74Y5ea7CrQXC8eT6H /XKlAEFHUPX5LdkWBwh8/7WQevB6TsoIFUdBI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=tt/Dp1+Aoo2LEsKiSRRe2eRM9uKwUX6LRxF9qBPgi2DwjYeF9QjZSE6C3zigPmGi3k QmJ4hDmsm2arY2dtq/eVRdU2Ch0aipXbqzkzyxP23UmrRVG2MBK+PIbXgBSSClUCLBsb Hpp9A083j2F4DFoV7zMxE4AE0qUgbK3eCXjEM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.152.152 with SMTP id g24mr3110606bkw.205.1266852567115; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:29:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100222145036.5661AF3864@smtps02.kuleuven.be> References: <32098189.1842344.1266827344324.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb080> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B04@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <9afca2641002220203x1671635et5ec5b31b691fc46e@mail.gmail.com> <4B826B4F.9060202@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <20100222145036.5661AF3864@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:29:26 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641002220729v30122b70k1624ce6576ec724c@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: VLF_8.79 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d03363ee86d04803219c6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d275.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40594b82a34118cd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175d03363ee86d04803219c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rick, Horst, et al, I am unsure of the "official" UK position regarding operation below 9kHz. Back in the late 1960s a Test and Development Licence was required and I held two around 1970 (G9BIB and G9BGU) for "earth mode" experiments between 0 and 50kHz. If you ask OFCOM I suspect they will require you to have a special permit (NoV), HI. It would be very interesting to know just how far amateurs could communicate below 9kHz. Amplifiers of 500-1000W coupled with the very best in weak signal modes and widely spaced grounded electrodes or large induction loops might result in the 10km barrier, achieved some years ago, being exceeded. ERP is meaningless at these frequencies as virually nothing will be radiated: communication will be by conduction through the ground or by induction. 73s Roger G3XBM On 22 February 2010 14:50, Rik Strobbe wrote: > > And do you know if f<9kHz is free for other countries in europe as well? > What about the UK? > > > Stefan, > > in Belgium anything below 9kHz (and above 300GHz) is "free" > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175d03363ee86d04803219c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick, Horst,=A0et al,
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I am unsure of the "official" UK position regarding operati= on below 9kHz. Back in the late 1960s a Test and Development Licence was= required and I held two around 1970 (G9BIB and G9BGU) for "earth mod= e" experiments between 0 and 50kHz.=A0 If=A0you ask=A0OFCOM I suspect= they will require you to have a special permit (NoV), HI.
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It would be very interesting to know just how far amateurs could comm= unicate below 9kHz. Amplifiers of 500-1000W coupled with the very best in= weak signal modes and widely spaced grounded electrodes or large inductio= n loops might result in the 10km barrier, achieved some years ago, being= exceeded. ERP is meaningless at these frequencies as virually nothing wil= l be radiated: communication will be by conduction through the ground or= by induction.
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73s
Roger G3XBM
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On 22 February 2010 14:50, Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@f= ys.kuleuven.be> wrote:

And do you know if f<9kHz is free for oth= er countries in europe as well? What about the UK?

Stefan,

in Belgium anything below 9kHz (and above 300GHz) is &qu= ot;free"

73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T




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