Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDG063-5fc4a97d75038b; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:11:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG107-5fc4a97d75038b; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:10:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Mh1Cs-0004Yd-4y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:09:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Mh1Cr-0004YU-He for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:09:29 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com ([209.85.219.206]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mh1C1-0006Rb-FI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:08:39 +0100 Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so2098625ewy.17 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:09:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=93G4hxDwDjMu1+fvFqINrT1JZVGlecjFSUcSflbjeCo=; b=BeoHn2lQvZnfiOCuIRdqNHPKp78kkz/GozsCUmIOq3/a5JBqjBMW6+plEVe2Fifsxv f+FmEhUm/tCGPE6+x99awhC+aLJy033OAF6u8Ta/ZUb4+Wl5FW2AizP01AMd2xeIbxlc TJlXPSZqs7nLcvVIl/AtwdIowiyWivZOb1MWk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=cqBorgCr68KFI01ENuvuSX8G/SAGNcfl0M1BnKiV0/oePzwb2gQxVUzk02yfGlWA/z Fd3j4klQD8FLfVeKGmZ3qO3Ec4dYLnx9cqUPISQBUeiIYbNCUEILirY10gMFAq5s5MtY sz09pymOQCItzUnlP8gt34SZTscWXMQjAsOwE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.74.71 with SMTP id w49mr211221wed.135.1251464954490; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:09:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <004b01ca27c9$cefc9550$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <9afca2640908261406r3ced27fr31bbca942848a291@mail.gmail.com> <005701ca2707$438a4570$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <9afca2640908270502q3136dd1cjf52d2666eedeed94@mail.gmail.com> <009c01ca2731$2d5e0e60$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <9afca2640908271133v7eea7f18r7855a822514399a4@mail.gmail.com> <847F3A04E31C413A81AD022BDC11AD46@JimPC> <004b01ca27c9$cefc9550$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:09:14 +0100 Message-ID: <9afca2640908280609g31cfe8buf0611f69aee19d75@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137kHz WSPR - what frequency? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7eea60fb009047233643d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d308.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6d7eea60fb009047233643d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Mal, Both CW and digital modes have their place and their merits. Many here enjoy using *both*; certainly I do. 73s and see you on CW sometime. Roger G3XBM 2009/8/28 mal hamilton > Who are the 'us guys' the majority of LF/MF operators are on CW, have a > look at the list of operators that I sent yesterday. Jim you appear the odd > time and your CW has got worse I expect its WSPR for you or nothing. By all > means ignore my observations but I get a lot of positive feedback from > experienced radio amateurs and professionals in the electronics field and > Nonsense most of the time from data Appliance Operators. > CW requires operator skill but machine generated data modes only needs an > observer. Watch the kettle boil operator. > Commercial operators use data modes to shift large amounts of information, > hardly a requirement for a radio amateur exchanging name and signal > strength. CW is ideally suited for short real time exchanges between radio > amateurs. > > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" < > james.moritz@btopenworld.com> > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:18 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137kHz WSPR - what frequency? > > > Dear Roger, LF Group, >> >> Please bear in mind that G3KEV does not speak for "us guys", only himself. >> Over the years we have learned to ignore him most of the time - if we took >> much notice, we would all have given up a long time ago. >> >> If you look in the WSPR on-line database specifying the band as "LF/VLF", >> you will see that there has been quite a lot of WSPR activity over the >> last >> year on 136k and 500k, which has been one of the more successful digital >> modes in this part of the spectrum. The points you make regarding narrow >> bandwidth and low power are certainly useful at LF/MF. The summer months >> are >> usually rather lacking in activity due to the short nights and high QRN, >> but >> activity, no doubt including WSPR, will be picking up soon as we get into >> autumn. >> >> The M0BMU LF/MF station is currently QRT due to a recent visit from >> relatives - all those pretty coloured wires and 3-year-olds don't really >> mix! It will probably be put back together this weekend though, so if you >> are interested in trying WSPR on 136k or 500k, let me know. >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Lapthorn" < >> rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:33 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137kHz WSPR - what frequency? >> >> >> ...But it's *not* my place to tell you guys how to use the LF bands so >> with >> >>> this, I'll leave you to it and get back on 10m WSPR, CW and SSB. Good >>> luck >>> with whatever modes you enjoy. >>> >>> Roger >>> 73s >>> G3XBM >>> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.69/2328 - Release Date: 08/26/09 > 12:16:00 > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0016e6d7eea60fb009047233643d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Mal,

Both CW and digital modes have their place and their meri= ts. Many here enjoy using both; certainly I do.=A0

73s and= see you on CW sometime.

Roger
G3XBM





2009/8/28 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Who are the 'us guys' the majority of LF/MF operators are on CW,= have a look at the list of operators that I sent yesterday. Jim you appea= r the odd time and your CW has got worse I expect its WSPR for you or noth= ing. By all means ignore my observations but I get a lot of positive feedb= ack from experienced radio amateurs and professionals in the electronics= field and Nonsense most of the time from data Appliance Operators.
CW requires operator skill but machine generated data modes only needs an= observer. Watch the kettle boil operator.
Commercial operators use data modes to shift large amounts of information,= hardly a requirement for a radio amateur exchanging name and signal stren= gth. CW is ideally suited for short real time exchanges between radio amat= eurs.

g3kev

----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btope= nworld.com>

To: <= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:18 PM
<= br> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137kHz WSPR - what frequency?


Dear Roger, LF Group,

Please bear in mind that G3KEV does not speak for "us guys", onl= y himself.
Over the years we have learned to ignore him most of the time - if we took=
much notice, we would all have given up a long time ago.

If you look in the WSPR on-line database specifying the band as "LF/V= LF",
you will see that there has been quite a lot of WSPR activity over the las= t
year on 136k and 500k, which has been one of the more successful digital modes in this part of the spectrum. The points you make regarding narrow bandwidth and low power are certainly useful at LF/MF. The summer months= are
usually rather lacking in activity due to the short nights and high QRN,= but
activity, no doubt including WSPR, will be picking up soon as we get into<= br> autumn.

The M0BMU LF/MF station is currently QRT due to a recent visit from
relatives - all those pretty coloured wires and 3-year-olds don't real= ly
mix! It will probably be put back together this weekend though, so if you<= br> are interested in trying WSPR on 136k or 500k, let me know.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Lapthorn" <rogerlapthorn@gmail.= com>
To: <= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137kHz WSPR - what frequency?


...But it's *not* my place to tell you guys how to use the LF bands so= with
this, I'll leave you to it and get back on 10m WSPR, CW and SSB. =A0Go= od
luck
with whatever modes you enjoy.

Roger
73s
G3XBM




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