Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t8SHj29D004313 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 19:45:02 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZgcNf-00066Y-N8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:38:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZgcNf-00066P-5R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:38:27 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgcMc-0002bE-E8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:38:26 +0100 Received: from AGB ([95.150.80.163]) by mwinf5d21 with ME id Nhd81r00X3XR26P03hd94n; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 19:37:10 +0200 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 19:37:10 +0200 X-ME-IP: 95.150.80.163 Message-ID: <9E22D5EFF00D4A03B90E508E5DA3811E@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B1EF64B@servigilant.vigilant.local> In-Reply-To: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B1EF64B@servigilant.vigilant.local> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:37:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Scan-Signature: c4d91b0f02952d31535616ecdb642f45 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01D0FA1C.AE98EB70" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4186 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01D0FA1C.AE98EB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Luis=20 Yes , had to be something 'loopy' going on , from the levels , 25 = watts should do the job then , was the level 16 watts before ? GL with the vertical , if its locations is where I think it will = be : -) you may not need the variometer , just a tapped coil and = a var-capacitor from a old valve Rx=20 Are you still sending opera/wspr ? or just OP8 , no wspr spots = showing during daylight to day ?=20 73-G, 2015-09-28 07:00 EA5DOM 0.475613 -28 0 IM98wn 0.002 = EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 =20 2015-09-28 02:00 EA5DOM 0.475612 -25 0 IM98wn 0.002 = EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 =20 2015-09-28 01:48 EA5DOM 0.475612 -24 0 IM98wn 0.002 = EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 =20 2015-09-28 01:36 EA5DOM 0.475612 -25 0 IM98wn 0.002 = EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 =20 2015-09-28 01:00 EA5DOM 0.475613 -26 0 IM98wn 0.002 = EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 =20 2015-09-27 23:12 EA5DOM 0.475613 -25 0 IM98wn 0.002 = EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 =20 2015-09-27 22:48 EA5DOM 0.475613 -26 0 IM98wn 0.002 = EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 =20 2015-09-27 22:36 EA5DOM 0.475613 -26 0 IM98wn 0.002 = EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 =20 2015-09-27 21:24 EA5DOM 0.475613 -27 0 IM98wn 0.002 = EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 =20 2015-09-27 18:48 EA5DOM 0.475617 -25 0 IM98wn 0.002 = EB3FRN JN01mc 300 19 =20 From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=E1ndez=20 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 4:02 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 = dB1489.0 Hz Hi Graham The answer is ... QRO :) I'm running the 100w PA made by Fausto IK4NMF. Not big signal increase = in local (7km) decodes but clear difference at 300Km as seen by EB3FRN After improving loop matching, PA works at full power. Fortunately = Opera8 keeps the PA almost cold while a single WSPR-2 period is a real stress test. Loop match is still = far from perfect and stressing full power modes are not wellcome with this setup=20 As Stefan told, keeping the loop tuned is an endless task and not the = way to go for QRO/Dx Even worse for a flat horizontal loop like mine Next in the list is going vertical. Coil and variometer on the way. Keep = tuned ;-) 73 de Luis EA5DOM Audacity of it , in board daylight as well=20 These are all well above the Dynamic switch over level , Q question = for the propagation dep't , what's changed ? local decode levels still -5/-6 dB , but that path is upto 6 dB = less attenuation [ opera > dynamic s/n still average and same = calibration] 73-G, 14:32 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -28 dB F:11% in MONTBRIO 1482.9 Hz 14:20 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -27 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.7 Hz 14:08 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -29 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.9 Hz 13:56 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 186 mi -28 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.4 Hz 13:56 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 4 mi -6 dB F:14% in Albir 1479,5 Hz 12:44 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:9% in Albir 1479,5 Hz 12:44 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -30 dB F:13% in MONTBRIO 1482.7 Hz From: Iban Cardona=20 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:08 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 = dB1489.0 Hz Hi, Graham=20 copying to G6AVK too, with nice signals 23:05 477 G6AVK Op8 1503.9 Hz -25 dB Fade: 2% I attach a pict from my grabber where can see EA5DOM and G6AVK at the = same time 73! Iban eb3frn On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Graham wrote: True Luis , just like just like VW 'crazy' code :- ) Good signals in the night to EB3FRM ! 73-G, EA5DOM de SWL-EB3FRN (Spain): Op8 F:25% -28 dB in MONTBRIO 1489.0 Hz EA5DOM de SWL-EB3FRN (Spain): Op8 F:12% -32 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.5 Hz From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=E1ndez=20 Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 4:18 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 = dB1489.0 Hz You catched me Graham ! ;-) Running the horizontal loop again. Better matching to the PA than = before, but only 8W now I have continued Txing WSPR and Opera8 during daylight hours. Nothing = on WSPR-2 at EB3FRN but Opera is decodable at Deep Search. Turned on my monitor to confirm = the spots and then the Deep Search spots marked as "??" go without question marks 12:59 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -34 dB in MONTBRIO = 1488.8 Hz 12:58 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:13% in Albir 12:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -36 dB in MONTBRIO = 1488.8 Hz 12:23 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -36 dB in MONTBRIO = 1488.8 Hz 11:59 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -35 dB in MONTBRIO = 1488.8 Hz Big difference over WSPR-2 and even taking in consideration the higer = QRM at EB3FRN during daylight hours 73 de Luis EA5DOM -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de Graham = [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Enviado: s=E1bado, 26 de septiembre de 2015 1:40 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Asunto: LF: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz Jump in Opera activity to day , with excellent conditions on 14 = MHz UK/EU<>VK =20 LF/MF - Note the PSK map ONLY shows opera data decodes , Dynamic = spots are routed via the Opera APP=20 Good demonstration of running a local ' Rx on LF and MF by EA5DOM , = only reaching EB3FRN in Dynamic , but validated by the local off air = time stamp and recovered average frequency , within 200 mHz , -36 dB is = about the lower limit for op8D 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz 23:34 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:1%_End in Albir 23:23 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB in1488.8 Hz 23:22 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:1%_End in Albir 23:11 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.8 = Hz 23:10 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:2% in Albir Dynamic spots not showing=20 21:24 136 RN3AGC de G3XDV Op32 Deep Search -42 dB in Welwyn 1535.8 = Hz 20:42 136 G3XDV de EW6BN Op32 Deep Search 1204 mi -42 dB=20 20:37 136 IZ7SLZ de SV8RV-4 Op32 Deep Search -41 dB=20 20:37 136 IZ7SLZ de G4WGT Op32 Deep Search -42 dB=20 20:37 136 IZ7SLZ de SV8RV-1 Op32 Deep Search -42 d 73-G, ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01D0FA1C.AE98EB70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Luis
 
Yes , had to be something  'loopy' going  on , from = the =20 levels ,  25 watts  should  do  the  job then , = was=20 the  level  16  watts  before ?
 
GL with the  vertical ,  if its  locations is =20 where  I think  it  will  be : -)   = you  may=20 not  need  the variometer , just a  tapped  coil = and =20 a  var-capacitor from a  old  valve Rx
 
Are you still  sending    opera/wspr  = ? =20 or  just  OP8 , no  wspr spots showing during = daylight =20 to  day ?
 
73-G,
 
 
2015-09-28 07:00   EA5DOM   0.475613   -28   0   IM98wn   0.002   EB3FRN   JN01mc   300   19 
 2015-09-28 = 02:00   EA5DOM   0.475612   -25   0   IM98wn   0.002   EB3FRN   JN01mc   300   19 
 2015-09-28 = 01:48   EA5DOM   0.475612   -24   0   IM98wn   0.002   EB3FRN   JN01mc   300   19 
 2015-09-28 = 01:36   EA5DOM   0.475612   -25   0   IM98wn   0.002   EB3FRN   JN01mc   300   19 
 2015-09-28 = 01:00   EA5DOM   0.475613   -26   0   IM98wn   0.002   EB3FRN   JN01mc   300   19 
 2015-09-27 = 23:12   EA5DOM   0.475613   -25   0   IM98wn   0.002   EB3FRN   JN01mc   300   19 
 2015-09-27 = 22:48   EA5DOM   0.475613   -26   0   IM98wn   0.002   EB3FRN   JN01mc   300   19 
 2015-09-27 = 22:36   EA5DOM   0.475613   -26   0   IM98wn   0.002   EB3FRN   JN01mc   300   19 
 2015-09-27 = 21:24   EA5DOM   0.475613   -27   0   IM98wn   0.002   EB3FRN   JN01mc   300   19 
 2015-09-27 = 18:48   EA5DOM   0.475617   -25   0   IM98wn   0.002   EB3FRN   JN01mc   300   19 

Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 4:02 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep = Search -36=20 dB1489.0 Hz

Hi Graham
 
The answer is ... QRO :)
 
I'm running the 100w PA made by Fausto = IK4NMF. Not big=20 signal increase in local (7km) decodes but
clear difference at 300Km as seen by=20 EB3FRN
 
After improving loop matching, PA works at = full=20 power. Fortunately Opera8 keeps the PA almost = cold
while a single WSPR-2 period is a real stress = test. Loop=20 match is still far from perfect and = stressing
full power modes are not wellcome with this=20 setup 
 
As=20 Stefan told, keeping the loop tuned is an endless task and not the way = to go for=20 QRO/Dx
Even=20 worse for a flat horizontal loop like mine
 
Next=20 in the list is going vertical. Coil and variometer on the way. Keep = tuned=20 ;-)
 
73 de Luis
EA5DOM
 
 Audacity  of it = , in board=20 daylight   as well
 
These are all  well  above the  Dynamic switch over = level ,=20 Q question  for the  propagation dep't  , what's =20 changed ?
local decode  levels  still  -5/-6 dB  , but = that =20 path is  upto  6 dB  less attenuation [ opera > = dynamic =20 s/n still  average  and  same calibration]
 
73-G,

14:32 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -28 dB F:11% in MONTBRIO 1482.9=20 Hz

14:20 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -27 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.7=20 Hz

14:08 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -29 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.9=20 Hz

13:56 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 186 mi -28 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.4 = Hz

13:56 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 4 mi -6 dB F:14% in Albir 1479,5=20 Hz

12:44 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:9% in Albir 1479,5 Hz

12:44 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -30 dB F:13% in MONTBRIO 1482.7=20 Hz


From: Iban Cardona
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:08 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep = Search -36=20 dB1489.0 Hz

Hi, Graham=20

copying to G6AVK too, with nice signals

23:05    477 G6AVK Op8 1503.9 Hz -25 dB Fade: = 2%

I attach a pict from my grabber where can see EA5DOM and G6AVK at = the same=20 time


73! Iban
eb3frn



On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
True Luis  , just like  just like  VW 'crazy' = code  :- )
 
 Good signals  in the  night  to  EB3FRM = !
 
73-G,

EA5DOM de SWL-EB3FRN (Spain): Op8 F:25% -28 dB in = MONTBRIO 1489.0=20 Hz

EA5DOM de SWL-EB3FRN (Spain): Op8 F:12% -32 dB in = MONTBRIO 1488.5=20 Hz

 

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 4:18 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep = Search -36=20 dB1489.0 Hz

You catched me Graham ! ;-)

Running the horizontal loop again. Better matching to the PA than = before,=20 but only 8W now

I have continued Txing WSPR and Opera8 during daylight hours. = Nothing on=20 WSPR-2 at EB3FRN
but Opera is decodable at Deep Search. Turned on my monitor to = confirm=20 the spots and then
the Deep Search spots marked as "??" go without question = marks

12:59    477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -34 dB in = MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz
12:58    477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:13% in = Albir
12:35    477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -36 dB = in=20 MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz
12:23    477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -36 dB = in=20 MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz
11:59    477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -35 dB = in=20 MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz

Big difference over WSPR-2 and even taking in consideration the = higer QRM=20 at EB3FRN
during daylight hours

73 de Luis
EA5DOM
De:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de = Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk]
Enviado: = s=E1bado, 26 de=20 septiembre de 2015 1:40
Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Asunto: LF: = 23:35 477=20 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz

Jump=20 in Opera activity to  day ,  with excellent conditions on =   14=20 MHz  UK/EU<>VK  


LF/MF - Note the =  PSK map=20  ONLY shows  opera  data  decodes , Dynamic spots = are=20  routed via the  Opera APP 


Good=20 demonstration of running a local ' Rx  on LF and MF  by = EA5DOM ,=20 only reaching EB3FRN in Dynamic , but validated by the local off air = time=20 stamp and recovered average frequency , within 200 mHz , -36 dB is = about the=20  lower limit for  op8D


23:35=20    477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz

23:34=20    477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:1%_End in Albir

23:23 477 EA5DOM de = EB3FRN Op8=20 Deep Search -36 dB in1488.8 Hz

23:22=20 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:1%_End in Albir
23:11 477 EA5DOM = de=20 EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz
23:10 477 = EA5DOM=20 de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:2% in Albir


Dynamic=20 spots not  showing 


21:24=20    136 RN3AGC de G3XDV Op32 Deep Search -42 dB in Welwyn = 1535.8=20 Hz

20:42=20    136 G3XDV de EW6BN Op32 Deep Search 1204 mi -42=20 dB 

20:37=20    136 IZ7SLZ de SV8RV-4 Op32 Deep Search -41 dB 

20:37=20    136 IZ7SLZ de G4WGT Op32 Deep Search -42 dB 

20:37=20    136 IZ7SLZ de SV8RV-1 Op32 Deep Search -42 d

 

73-G,


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