Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 63B67380000A2; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sq8nK-0006Va-Cm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:18:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sq8nJ-0006VR-GE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:18:25 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sq8nH-0000TP-20 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:18:24 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.21.219]) by mwinf5d01 with ME id aLJM1j0054jce6y03LJMoT; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:18:22 +0200 Message-ID: <9DDCEB4BDD2F4856A4D3E9C72E16D066@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2EF69530CC694F89ADDC70851C979A5D@AGB> <5000A0A4.4040608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1342291964.56648.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1BAEA1BC516C4812A574BE67E8BA6947@AGB> <1342296618.90563.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1342296618.90563.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:18:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Ok Pete I think you can extract more data , but last time I tried , just got a empty exel sheet hopefully when Op mode is running on the new fixed VHF beacons , someone will take a look , but to date , nothing [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: da5da3384f5fa59769bccb100108996d Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0112_01CD6206.32197F30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:445753792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41095001da7a1576 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0112_01CD6206.32197F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Pete I think you can extract more data , but last time I tried , = just got a empty exel sheet .......... hopefully when Op mode = is running on the new fixed VHF beacons , someone will take a = look , but to date , nothing =20 73-G.. PS...This will interest you , there is another driver etc for = the dongle .may be better than the one we are using ..... =20 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/ultra-cheap-sdr/p0wXha= czyrM From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:10 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Thanks Graham=20 Just worked out how to get the statistics........... deerrrr!! Time to = crawl into my cave knuckles dragging....... 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 20:26 Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Pete=20 May be only 2 stations have decodes , ROS activity showing = over EU area , so band was open=20 73 -G.. Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC)=20 OE5RPP OE5RPP 10m OPERA 0 kms 18:05:07=20 R3LW R3LW 10m OPERA 0 kms 17:08:12=20 ON5IP ON5IP 10m OPERA 0 kms 16:09:45=20 ON5DC ON5IP 10m OPERA 4 kms 15:40:15=20 ON5IP ON5DC 10m OPERA 4 kms 15:39:01=20 RX3DHR RX3DHR 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:35:17=20 M0FMT M0FMT 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:34:48=20 ON5DC ON5DC 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:30:34=20 DK8IZ DK8IZ 10m OPERA 0 kms 08:29:13=20 RA3IM RA3IM 10m OPERA 0 kms 08:24:42=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:52 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Hi Graham Is there any activity on the 28.076/8 op QRG? been monitoring, band = open, but nothing? Any comments? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=20 From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 1:09 Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Ok Stefan, QRT , next to look at the reports , I think tonight , minimum = decode levels are very close , the longer OP modes are much lower = , but the qsb on 500 tends to prevent gain being made by extended = times=20 Opera was designed to be sent by a normal CW Tx , = psk/fsk has a dB advantage , but not all stations can send = fsk or psk, , especially on 136 .. Without the racal ma1723 , it = would be difficult to use fsk or psk on 500 , ( not that psk is = any use on 500 .. too much phase shifting ) =20 Not sure on the wspr settings , I dont think the software can = produce 12 Khz , stations use ,pic-dds , that may be a way = ahead ?=20 But tonight , using the m-delt4 sound card , I found the = mixer monitor could be used to combine 2 channels , so the = audio quality was much better than in the past, with no IMP = showing ...=20 73 -G. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:26 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Hi Graham, LF/MF,Nice setup to see which mode is "better". Rik/ON7YD = has done some tests a few months ago i remember. Now you need many = receiving stations who monitor these 2 modes to the same time as = well.Compared to WSPR i clearly find Opera an advantage regarding the = ease of keying the PA without the need of FSK.On LF i could run both = modes since i have the IQ upconverter (can WSPR set to an output = frequency of 12.5 kHz?? (to be mixed with 125 kHz)) but on MF i would = need to extend my setup...I really would like to join in tonite but i = can't :-(((73, GL, Stefan/DK7FCAm 13.07.2012 20:20, schrieb Graham:=20 No cheating , carriers are identical !=20 tnx Gary for grabber=20 73 -G.=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:06 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz All,=20 DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Running dual beacon , parallel Tx times ......Tx 100% = duty cycle=20 Dial set 500.000 Khz USB =20 73 - Graham G0NBD ------=_NextPart_000_0112_01CD6206.32197F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok  Pete
 
I think  you  can  extract more  data , = but =20 last  time  I  tried  , just  got a  = empty =20 exel   sheet ..........  hopefully  when = Op  =20 mode  is  running  on the   new  =20 fixed   VHF beacons , someone  will  take a = look  ,=20 but  to  date  , nothing 
 
73-G..
 
PS...This  will  interest  you , there  is = another   driver  etc  for the  = dongle  =20 .may  be  better  than the  one we are  = using =20  .....  
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/ultra-c= heap-sdr/p0wXhaczyrM
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:10 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA = 500Khz

Thanks Graham
 
Just worked out how to get the statistics........... = deerrrr!!  Time=20 to crawl into my cave knuckles dragging.......
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, 14 = July=20 2012, 20:26
Subject: Re: LF:=20 DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz
Pete
 
May be  only   2  stations   = have =20 decodes  ,  ROS  activity  showing  = over  EU=20 area , so  band  was  open
 
73 -G..
 
 
Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC) OE5RPP OE5RPP 10m OPERA 0 kms 18:05:07 R3LW R3LW 10m OPERA 0 kms 17:08:12 ON5IP ON5IP 10m OPERA 0 kms 16:09:45 ON5DC ON5IP 10m OPERA 4 kms 15:40:15 ON5IP ON5DC 10m OPERA 4 kms 15:39:01 RX3DHR RX3DHR 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:35:17 M0FMT M0FMT 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:34:48 ON5DC ON5DC 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:30:34 DK8IZ DK8IZ 10m OPERA 0 kms 08:29:13 RA3IM RA3IM 10m OPERA 0 kms 08:24:42
 
From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA = 500Khz
Hi Graham
 
Is there any activity on the 28.076/8 op QRG? been monitoring, = band open,=20 but nothing? Any comments?
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=20
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>= ;
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Saturday, = 14 July=20 2012, 1:09
Subject: Re: LF:=20 DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz
Ok Stefan,
 
QRT  , next to  look at the  reports  , I=20 think  tonight  , minimum   decode  = levels =20 are very  close ,  the  longer  OP modes are = much lower=20 , but the  qsb on 500 tends to  prevent  gain = being =20 made by  extended  times
 
Opera   was  designed to  be  = sent  by=20 a  normal   CW  Tx   ,=20 psk/fsk    has a  dB  advantage , but  = not  all  stations  can send   fsk or  psk, = ,=20 especially  on  136  .. Without the  racal  = ma1723=20 , it  would  be  difficult to  use fsk or =20 psk  on  500  , ( not that  psk  is  = any =20 use on 500  .. too  much  phase  shifting = ) 
 
Not  sure on the  wspr  settings , I dont  = think=20 the  software  can  produce   12 Khz =20 ,   stations  use  ,pic-dds  , that  = may =20 be a  way  ahead ?
 
But tonight , using the  m-delt4    sound  = card , I=20 found the    mixer  monitor  could  = be =20 used to  combine  2  channels  , so  = the =20 audio  quality  was much better  than  in = the =20 past, with  no  IMP  showing  ...
 
73 -G.
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA=20 500Khz
Hi Graham, LF/MF,Nice setup to see which = mode is=20 "better". Rik/ON7YD has done some tests a few months ago i remember. = Now you=20 need many receiving stations who monitor these 2 modes to the same = time as=20 well.Compared to WSPR i clearly find Opera an advantage = regarding the=20 ease of keying the PA without the need of FSK.On LF i could run = both=20 modes since i have the IQ upconverter (can WSPR set to an output = frequency=20 of 12.5 kHz?? (to be mixed with 125 kHz)) but on MF i would need to = extend=20 my setup...I really would like to join in tonite but i = can't=20 :-(((73, GL, Stefan/DK7FCAm 13.07.2012 = 20:20,=20 schrieb Graham:=20
No  cheating  , carriers  are =20 identical  !
 
tnx  Gary  for  grabber 
 
73 -G. 
 
 
 
From: Graham
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:06 PM
Subject: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA = 500Khz
All,
 
DUAL  BEACON   WSPR + OPERA   = 500Khz
 
Running   dual  beacon  , = parallel   Tx=20 times ......Tx   100%   duty cycle
 
Dial  set   500.000  Khz  USB  =
 
73 - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
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