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 Content preview:  The problem is Mal, The Op mode is sending 'data' and the
   qrss idea is only sending a carrier and as can be seen, very extended times
    are needed to send a call-sign , which in turn are modulated by qsb into
   fragments , last night's test by Stefan showed that propagation was available
    on 136 , in the day as well as the night , and from the Iceland decodes ,
    later in the night , two Uk stations also decoded , near to the OP8 system
    limit ~ -32 -33 dB , while Stefan was some 10 to 15 dB higher [...] 
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The problem is Mal,

The Op  mode is  sending  'data'  and the  qrss  idea is  only  sending  =
a  carrier and  as can be seen, very extended  times  are  needed  to  =
send  a  call-sign , which in turn  are modulated by  qsb into  =
fragments , last night's  test by Stefan showed that propagation was =
available  on 136 , in the  day  as well  as the  night , and from the  =
Iceland  decodes , later in the  night , two  Uk stations  also  decoded =
, near to  the OP8  system  limit  ~  -32 -33   dB , while  Stefan  was  =
some  10 to  15 dB higher=20

OP32  is  6  dB lower  minimum  decode  , but  takes 4  times longer , =
interesting would be , to  run a  test  at OP32 , before  band  =
conditions   change  very much ?

73 -G.


From: mal hamilton=20
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:44 PM
To: rsgb=20
Subject: LF: 136 DX


LF
It has never been difficult to get a QRS 3 signal into 4X4RF or TF3HZ  =
or Moscow area and even CW.
It seems most are bashing away in QRS120 most of the time when QRS 3 =
would do the trick.=20
I worked UA6LA on CW two way 136.5 Khz March 2005 for the first time.
also it is possible to be been seen at TF3HZ during daytime and I have =
also worked OH1TN many times during the daytime on 136.5
Faster speed are preferable to beat QSB. This is my approach and if it =
does not work then I slow down if necessary.
On 160 metres especially winter time I can work UA9 stns daytime from my =
QTH and I would say it could likewise be done on 600 metres if anyone in =
UA9 was available for a QSO.
To achive good long haul results on LF es MF good Antennas and =
sufficient power is essential, this also helps avoid the QSB problem.
de G3KEV



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<DIV>The problem is Mal,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The Op&nbsp; mode is&nbsp; sending&nbsp; 'data'&nbsp; and the&nbsp; =

qrss&nbsp; idea is&nbsp; only&nbsp; sending&nbsp; a&nbsp; carrier =
and&nbsp; as=20
can be seen, very extended&nbsp; times&nbsp; are&nbsp; needed&nbsp; =
to&nbsp;=20
send&nbsp; a&nbsp; call-sign , which in turn&nbsp; are modulated =
by&nbsp; qsb=20
into&nbsp; fragments , last night's&nbsp; test by Stefan showed that =
propagation=20
was available&nbsp; on 136 , in the&nbsp; day&nbsp; as well&nbsp; as =
the&nbsp;=20
night , and from the&nbsp; Iceland&nbsp; decodes , later in the&nbsp; =
night ,=20
two&nbsp; Uk stations&nbsp; also&nbsp; decoded , near to&nbsp; the =
OP8&nbsp;=20
system&nbsp; limit&nbsp; ~&nbsp; -32 -33&nbsp;&nbsp; dB , while&nbsp;=20
Stefan&nbsp; was&nbsp; some&nbsp; 10 to&nbsp; 15 dB higher </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>OP32&nbsp; is&nbsp;&nbsp;6&nbsp; dB lower&nbsp; minimum&nbsp; =
decode&nbsp;=20
, but&nbsp; takes 4&nbsp; times longer , interesting would be , to&nbsp; =
run=20
a&nbsp; test&nbsp; at OP32 , before&nbsp; band&nbsp; =
conditions&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
change&nbsp; very much ?</DIV>
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<DIV>73 -G.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net&#10;CTRL + Click to follow link"=20
href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">mal hamilton</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 20, 2012 3:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: 136 DX</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>LF</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It has never been difficult to get a QRS =
3&nbsp;signal=20
into 4X4RF or TF3HZ&nbsp; or Moscow area&nbsp;and even CW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It seems most are bashing away in QRS120 most of =
the time=20
when QRS 3 would do the trick. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I worked UA6LA on CW two way 136.5 Khz March =
2005&nbsp;for=20
the first time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>also it is possible to be&nbsp;been seen at =
TF3HZ during=20
daytime and I have also worked OH1TN many times during the daytime on=20
136.5</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Faster speed are preferable to beat QSB. This is =
my=20
approach and if it does not work then I slow down if =
necessary.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>On 160 metres especially winter time I can work =
UA9 stns=20
daytime from my QTH and I would say it could likewise be done on 600 =
metres if=20
anyone in UA9 was available for a QSO.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>To achive good long haul&nbsp;results on LF es =
MF good=20
Antennas and sufficient power is essential, this also helps avoid the =
QSB=20
problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>de G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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