Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E391438000090; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SM2NA-00014O-1M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:23:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SM2N8-00014F-R8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:22:58 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SM2N5-0002Hm-PU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:22:57 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.115]) by mwinf5d40 with ME id 17Nt1j0042V18dN037Nt9o; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:22:54 +0200 Message-ID: <9A96CF2EAC05426B8E4116CFA2AE060A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4813845C7E3B4B6487DB19F8C83086B9@GaryPC> <3E9AEF72E4944B18BB87D25133AFB187@AGB> <1CCF221D62B742E5AA0705B005C8D88F@GaryPC> In-Reply-To: <1CCF221D62B742E5AA0705B005C8D88F@GaryPC> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:22:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Yes , good point , the actual minimum decode level is now slightly = better than the first versions , but OP2 s/n is about the same as = wspr , so that should give a reference as the original s/n was = calibrated using Fldigi and wspr as the benchmark, J came to = the conclusion that the levels where not realistic and revised the = calibration , using the path-sim software.=20 If you subtract 8 dB , is that close to the original level , = if wspr shows -34 dB to Opera ( and Ros) -26 dB for the same = conditions ? OP8 is then -40 dB old money and OP32 is 49 ...=20 Interestingly that makes Opera 4H audio - 55 dB old money ...=20 Tempted to try 136 as well , I assume , A big series inductor with = the 500 tuner set up would bring everything into resonance ... = or at least be a starting point ?.......but what of the auto feed = transformer , if thats non reactive , then the frequency should = not change the 50 ohm Tx view ?? 73 -G..=20 The eating of the pudding is in the proof as they say after 2200 = hrs , the first TA decode was OP8 @ 3667 K , using a = Parasol-on-a-Stick MK1 back garden array Tx Ae=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/O_P_E_R_A_/photos/album/2031588689/pic/7820= 98276/view?picmode=3D&mode=3Dtn&order=3Dordinal&start=3D1&count=3D20&dir=3D= asc From: Gary G4WGT=20 Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:03 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: UA4WPF G8HUH 2200m 3615 kms !=20 Graham, LF, I have omitted the December 2011 decode of VO1MRC on 136kHz with Op8 in = the other direction giving a distance of 3667km. Of course conditions would be very good then, not able to compare the = -20dB S/N due to changes in the way it is now calculated. 73, Gary - G4WGT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: UA4WPF G8HUH 2200m 3615 kms !=20 Graham, I bet your ears are still frying bacon & rattling morse out :-) Probably will be Op32, my nearest to that in Op8 is... 20:51 136 RW3ADB Op8 -34 dB 2553 km ..........-34dB being about the limit of Op8 73, Gary - G4WGT. Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:39 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: UA4WPF G8HUH 2200m 3615 kms !=20 OK ,still recovering from listening to white noise for 6 hours = last night , once a year is enough of this modern CW , vintage = MGM-CW is far less of a frazzle =20 Assume that was OP32 at that range ? Tnx -G. From: Gary G4WGT=20 Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 3:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: UA4WPF G8HUH 2200m 3615 kms !=20 Graham, Just a slight correction :- >and check the 'spots only from' box, Should read.....and un-check the "All Spots" box, you will then have = a local copy of band data. 73, Gary - G4WGT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:24 PM Subject: LF: UA4WPF G8HUH 2200m 3615 kms !=20 All, Opera 136 Up Date =20 Following on from the previous, some interesting developments = , on 136 , If your station is web-linked , then in either Rx = only , Tx only or Tx/Rx you will show on the PSK-Reporting = map, this was set to ensure the status of both Tx and Rx = stations was available to all. after all one is no use without the = other ! As there is still no 'dedicated storage' for the on-line = data , If you wish to monitor activity on a particular band , you = can simply run Opera , set to the required band and check the = 'spots only from' box , you will then have a local copy of band = data . some stations have added text to the beacon 'test only - = no RF' or similar to prevent misinterpretation.=20 NB : These are full DATA call sign decodes , so are the = bare minimal exchange required to claim a qsl or qso for 1 or = 2 way , Opera is purely based on Data processing and Digital signal = processing and has 'no' deep search or fuzzy logic decisions to = assist in the data recovery , similarly for the QSO option, = allowing 15 Chrs to be send in 120 seconds at a nominal -20 dB = s/n (ref to Sim-Path simulation software)=20 UA4WPF decoded by G8HUH 2200m OPERA 3615 kms 00:39:25=20 This seems to be OP32 mode , but monitoring stations can = run 'two' opera sessions , from the same sound card/pc , set OP8 = and OP32=20 JH1GVY JH1INM 2200m OPERA 153 kms 02:03:37=20 JH1GVY recent Tx addition to the JA group of 8 136 = beacons regularly showing on the psk map From VK2DDI by VK2DDI Loc QF55HF Welcome activity from down under=20 Decodes over 24 hours=20 Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC)=20 UA4WPF G8HUH 2200m OPERA 3615 kms 00:39:25=20 UA4WPF UA0SNV-1 2200m OPERA 2890 kms 21:19:52=20 UA0AET UA4WPF 2200m OPERA 2402 kms 18:33:09=20 UA4WPF RW3ADB 2200m OPERA 986 kms 00:39:21=20 UA4WPF RN3AGC 2200m OPERA 973 kms 00:39:02=20 JH1GVY JH1INM 2200m OPERA 153 kms 02:03:37=20 JH1GVY JF1PSS 2200m OPERA 104 kms 02:03:35=20 JH1GVY 7L1RLL/1 2200m OPERA 102 kms 02:03:35=20 JP1ODJ JH1INM 2200m OPERA 83 kms 02:37:16=20 JH1GVY JA8SCD 2200m OPERA 83 kms 02:03:36=20 JH1GVY JP1ODJ 2200m OPERA 72 kms 03:33:09=20 JP1ODJ 7L1RLL/1 2200m OPERA 46 kms 02:24:04=20 JP1ODJ JA8SCD 2200m OPERA 43 kms 22:17:03=20 JP1ODJ JH1ARY 2200m OPERA 37 kms 02:37:17=20 JP1ODJ JF1PSS 2200m OPERA 35 kms 02:37:15=20 RN3AGC RW3ADB 2200m OPERA 32 kms 23:04:32=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00DA_01CD20C5.B21C55E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK Gary ,
 
A spectacular  launch for the  new system by  = any =20 standard , full data decode  !
 
Yes , good  point , the  actual  minimum decode = level=20 is  now  slightly  better  than the  = first =20 versions , but  OP2  s/n is  about the same as  wspr = ,=20 so  that should give  a reference  as  the =20 original  s/n  was  calibrated  using  =20 Fldigi  and wspr  as  the  benchmark, J  came = to =20 the  conclusion that  the  levels where  not  = realistic=20 and  revised the  calibration , using  the =20 path-sim   software.
 
If  you  subtract   8 dB ,  is that  = close to=20 the  original   level  , if =20 wspr  shows   -34 dB  to  Opera ( and=20 Ros)    -26  dB for the  same  conditions = ? =20 OP8 is then  -40 dB   old money  and  = OP32 =20 is  49 ...
 
Interestingly   that  makes   Opera =20 4H   audio  - 55 dB  old money ...
 
Tempted to  try  136  as well , I assume , A = big =20 series  inductor with the  500  tuner  set up =20 would  bring  everything  into  resonance ... = or at=20 least  be a  starting  point ?.......but  what  = of=20 the  auto  feed  transformer  , if  thats  = non  reactive , then  the  frequency  should  = not =20 change the  50 ohm  Tx  view  ??
 
73 -G..
 
The  eating  of the  pudding  is  in = the =20 proof as they say  after  2200 hrs , the  first TA =20 decode  was  OP8   @  3667 K  , = using  a=20 Parasol-on-a-Stick   MK1  back garden array  = Tx  Ae=20
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/O_P_E_R_= A_/photos/album/2031588689/pic/782098276/view?picmode=3D&mode=3Dtn&am= p;order=3Dordinal&start=3D1&count=3D20&dir=3Dasc

From: Gary G4WGT
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:03 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: UA4WPF G8HUH 2200m 3615 kms !=20

Graham, LF,
 
I have omitted the December = 2011 decode of=20 VO1MRC on 136kHz with Op8 in the other direction giving a distance of=20 3667km.
 
Of course conditions would be very good then, = not able to=20 compare the -20dB S/N due to changes in the way it is now = calculated.
 
73, Gary - G4WGT.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary G4WGT=20
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 = 6:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: UA4WPF = G8HUH 2200m=20 3615 kms !

Graham,
 
I bet your ears are still frying bacon=20 & rattling morse out :-)
 
Probably will be Op32, my nearest to that in = Op8=20 is...
 
20:51 136 = RW3ADB Op8 -34=20 dB 2553 km

..........-34dB being about the limit of = Op8

73, Gary -=20 G4WGT.

 
 
Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 = 4:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: UA4WPF = G8HUH 2200m=20 3615 kms !

OK ,still  recovering  from  listening to  = white=20 noise for  6  hours  last night  , once a = year =20 is  enough  of this  modern   = CW , =20 vintage  MGM-CW   is far less  of a  = frazzle=20    
 
Assume that  was  OP32  at that  = range =20 ?
 
Tnx -G.
From: Gary G4WGT
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 3:17 PM
Subject: LF: Re: UA4WPF G8HUH 2200m 3615 kms !=20

Graham,
 
Just a slight correction :-
 
>and check the 'spots only from' = box,
 
Should read.....and un-check the "All Spots" = box, you=20 will then have a local copy of band data.
 
73, Gary - G4WGT.
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Sunday, April 22, = 2012 2:24=20 PM
Subject: LF: UA4WPF G8HUH = 2200m 3615=20 kms !

All,
 
Opera  136 Up Date 
 
Following  on from the  previous, some =20 interesting   developments , on 136 , If your =20 station  is  web-linked  , then  in = either  =20 Rx  only  , Tx  only  or   = Tx/Rx =20 you   will  show  on the  =20 PSK-Reporting  map, this  was  set to  = ensure =20 the  status of both  Tx  and  Rx  = stations =20 was  available to  all. after all  one  is = no =20 use without the  other !
 
As  there  is  still  no  'dedicated = storage'  for the  on-line  data , If you  = wish =20 to  monitor  activity on a  particular  band , = you  can  simply  run Opera , set to the  = required  band and  check the  'spots only=20 from'   box ,  you  will  then  have = a =20 local  copy of  band  data .  some =20 stations  have  added   text to the  = beacon 'test=20 only - no RF'  or  similar to  prevent = misinterpretation.=20
 
NB :  These are  full  DATA call sign  = decodes ,=20 so  are  the  bare  minimal  = exchange =20 required  to  claim a  qsl  or  qso = for =20 1  or 2  way , Opera  is  purely based on Data = processing  and  Digital signal processing and has=20 'no'   deep search  or fuzzy  logic  = decisions=20 to   assist in the data  recovery ,=20 similarly  for the  QSO  option,   = allowing=20 15  Chrs  to  be  send in 120 seconds at  = a =20 nominal  -20 dB s/n   (ref to  Sim-Path=20 simulation  software)
 
 
UA4WPF  decoded  by   G8HUH 2200m = OPERA 3615=20 kms 00:39:25
 
This seems to  be  OP32  mode , but  = monitoring  stations  can  run   = 'two' =20 opera  sessions  , from the  same  sound = card/pc ,=20 set  OP8  and  OP32
 
JH1GVY JH1INM 2200m OPERA 153 kms 02:03:37
 
JH1GVY   recent  Tx  addition to = the =20 JA  group  of  8   136   beacons = regularly=20 showing  on the  psk map
 
 
From VK2DDI by VK2DDI Loc QF55HF
 
 
Welcome activity from  down under
 
Decodes  over  24  hours
 
Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC) UA4WPF G8HUH 2200m OPERA 3615 kms 00:39:25 UA4WPF UA0SNV-1 2200m OPERA 2890 kms 21:19:52 UA0AET UA4WPF 2200m OPERA 2402 kms 18:33:09 UA4WPF RW3ADB 2200m OPERA 986 kms 00:39:21 UA4WPF RN3AGC 2200m OPERA 973 kms 00:39:02 JH1GVY JH1INM 2200m OPERA 153 kms 02:03:37 JH1GVY JF1PSS 2200m OPERA 104 kms 02:03:35 JH1GVY 7L1RLL/1 2200m OPERA 102 kms 02:03:35 JP1ODJ JH1INM 2200m OPERA 83 kms 02:37:16 JH1GVY JA8SCD 2200m OPERA 83 kms 02:03:36 JH1GVY JP1ODJ 2200m OPERA 72 kms 03:33:09 JP1ODJ 7L1RLL/1 2200m OPERA 46 kms 02:24:04 JP1ODJ JA8SCD 2200m OPERA 43 kms 22:17:03 JP1ODJ JH1ARY 2200m OPERA 37 kms 02:37:17 JP1ODJ JF1PSS 2200m OPERA 35 kms 02:37:15 RN3AGC RW3ADB 2200m OPERA 32 kms 23:04:32
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