Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.146]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD084-8b934d265b13284; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:15:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3259D38000082; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Pazxu-0007Hh-M5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 00:13:58 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Pazxu-0007HY-7R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 00:13:58 +0000 Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pazxt-000066-Iu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 00:13:58 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.209] by nm5.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2011 00:13:51 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.171] by tm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2011 00:13:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2011 00:13:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 837010.33220.bm@omp1012.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 96400 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2011 00:13:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=j4a26Uc8PKYqrSR4WStgMuA3nLR5wCY09eGqP36EymvyJjidgeYwr/Sl4xccxDvcbJkeTucKzswiLD5iYVY0ju8KfZejIpQkejnKJwGgsecgJbByCdkfXAQDFwjWOQlg1x8jwPJD6Kg83VFgZaO+xYlIZEKm2DBm8s3KbWGa57I= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1294359231; bh=r1hJMKvoNYa6NzDVjk5o0leon8Ov8+h1wdWUiyileLQ=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ax4IDZ6q4R7MBnSpINntULt4IDHDaMTBgv3lgCDzOJ1/YYZ1ZMIBVyBPIQufcZ2AkEYFzbK9vvyiqG+qVn+IJDAFykP2M5T46/lOrlDDNtfQpPetIIcjpGZsWKAAdwL0mOvLH3gNIwZOQ8wrJnuchRXrd3UIawUhUUuHN4AHnIo= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@109.156.208.18 with login) by smtp815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Jan 2011 00:13:48 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: olDaFFQVM1k3oa_eM_Q3sEAIYQvYmrAnynoKRHvofeu8DsM 92BY_x.nY6O5IYt92UezCOegF_hZGO.eOv38eZBMMMcU38UNogq9bSvJGhym 0ynrMaVaYEn4Y4nA62Wp4LZrTlf_Wisukw32AKxjM7pmiAdHvh4j3GOGQbc_ 3LMd1snC_fKNAVxG5sunwULKE1vS66x9_Lw6a01c7oViyTqutAOe95caGNXb lrgFi_QuGaqDMGXjPo0VE7eHAKFoUT7ObtRGUaEAT1c3sxUJLAgdd1.xnD33 _f8KoX0zcKxDxXacK_lmNjuyqjeB_jOP1nddP7kyYHywIRw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <9394F8BC49B540ADBDA46BF15C24B2E4@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 00:13:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz Classe-E Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m285.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60924d265b1115fa X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Dear Andy, LF Group, Looking at the Class E design formulas, initially assuming efficiency near 100%, 55Vdc, then the peak current in the switch is about 24A, which is clearly going to drop quite a few volts in the 0.4ohm Rdson. The text I have here gives a formula for efficiency where the losses are entirely due to Rdson - putting in the relevant numbers gives 86% efficiency, which with 500W input would result in about 70W dissipated in the transistor. That would need quite a big heatsink! 2 in parallel would give 93% efficiency by this reckoning, a more reasonable 36W would be dissipated across 2 devices, so much more manageable. Actually, you would have to increase the DC input power in order to reach your target 500W RF out, and to overcome additional losses in the feed choke and tank circuit, etc.. Then the Rdson is specified at 25degreesC junction temperature, and it rises with temperature - about 1.5x at 80degrees, for example so you are probably looking at well under 90% efficiency now. Maybe 3 in parallel... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:29 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz Classe-E > Starting parameters : > Supply voltage anything from 28 - 55V adjustable. 25 A max > PA device - IRFP452 (have a small handful, so can allow a few to go > pop) Rated 500V, 0.4 Rdson, 14A, 190 Watts > Drive, accurate 50% square wave from ICL7667 > Resonant Inductor - air wound with 2mm Litz wire. > > I reckon that at 55V 500 Watts might be a value to aim for with a single > device, with the option to back off by lowering Vsupply.